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Child Killed By Falling Mirror At Wal-Mart
The Indy Channel ^ | 7-23-2006

Posted on 07/24/2006 6:12:21 AM PDT by Samwise

INDIANAPOLIS -- A 3-year-old boy was fatally injured when a floor-mounted mirror fell on him at an Indianapolis Wal-Mart.

Police said Christopher Antonio was apparently playing near the 5-foot-tall mirror in the children's section of the store Saturday evening when it fell at the store in the 3200 block of 86th Street.

The boy was with his 5-year-old sister and his mother. The mother told police she was about 5 feet away from her son when she heard a loud crash.

Police said it took two people to pull the mirror off the boy.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: child; itsallfunngamesuntil; killed; mirror; ningnpaso; peligro; storesarentplaygrnds; walmart
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To: Warren_Piece
I'm just a bit unnerved at the posts that suggest that the mother deserved for her child to die because "society needs to be taught a lesson". It's almost as if there is some glee at "payback" for having to put up with wild kids at walmart.

I don't see that. Freepers would never enjoy or be gleeful at the death of a child.

And we just don't know enough to make ANY pronouncements about ANYBODYs negligence - including the mother.

The mother did not have her kids by her side. The article claims 5 ft away. Obviously that wasn't close enough and it's an object lesson to NOT trust an environment is safe.

151 posted on 07/24/2006 8:51:35 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Westlander
After 35 years in imaging in a Level 1 Pediatric hospital, and moonlighting work for the county coroner, you have not a clue. We just direct those grieving parents to 'that room down the hall.'

Imaging is actually pretty neat, and sometimes I wish i had gone into that instead of IT.

That being said, what exactly are you trying to say here? I'm not trying to be smart, I've just lost track of who's arguing what.

152 posted on 07/24/2006 8:51:46 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Skooz; DJ MacWoW
Most of us call that "tagging along with mom while she shops at WalMart."

At 3?! No. Maybe as a teen, but not as a toddler. I don't know of any 3 year old who says "Sure mom, I'll just tag along.".

Nope. You said: "It is NOT safe to let a child wander off in an environment that you have no control over."
The child did not "wonder off." He was FIVE FEET AWAY. That's why your make believe scenario has nothing to do with this case.

I NEVER wandered more than a foot from my mother. Unless you have arms like a gorilla, five feet away is a bit far to be reaching for a kid. I happen to be five feet tall, I could never reach five feet away unless I laid myself out on the floor.

If a 3 year old can pull it over, then, no, it wasn't secured.

Why sit around & find that out the hard way? If the kid was being watched, he wouldn't have had the chance to try it out.

Baseless assumption.

Not really. If she had her eyes on the kid, she would've seen what he was doing. If she had seen what he was doing, she could've stopped him. If she could've stopped him, we wouldn't be discussing this now.

153 posted on 07/24/2006 8:53:11 AM PDT by Darkchylde (Don't try my brother's coffee!)
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To: N3WBI3
"s someone who has had family lose a baby to a freak accident "
I am sorry for the loss of the baby.
It is unimaginable to me.
My niece died during labor 2 summers ago...it was no one's fault.
It is a very helpless feeling isn't it.
I am sorry for your family.
154 posted on 07/24/2006 8:53:15 AM PDT by M0sby (((PROUD WIFE of MSgt Edwards USMC)))
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To: M0sby
It happened years ago, and we saw God work through it in the hearts of our then unsaved in-laws. It happened as the family was preparing for a wedding of my Brothers' brother-in-law.

I was not very close to the child, my bother moved before having him so I did not have day-to-day contact but I still get torn up when I think about it. I feel more for my brother whom I love than the baby I did not know but it was the biggest example I have ever had of "sometimes bad things happen and its nobodies fault".

155 posted on 07/24/2006 8:57:37 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: RandallFlagg
At my Wal-Mart in Winston-Salem, NC, I can walk in at 2:00 AM and see several sets of parents (95% of the time, young black parents) or single mothers hauling around their young child. Most of them carry the child, some place it in the cart, and almost never do they let them walk around.

If they don't have room in their schedule to drag their kid grocery shopping at any time other than 2:00 AM, maybe their kid being up at all hours of the night isn't their biggest problem right now.
156 posted on 07/24/2006 8:57:38 AM PDT by justt bloomin ("Political correctness is really the only form of hate speech." Mike Adams, UNC-W)
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To: N3WBI3; Skooz; Darkchylde
False Dichotomy: You are stating either he was reading war and piece or he was running around playing... Maybe, just maybe he was looking at a toy near the Mirror, maybe taking it off the shelf but not in a manner that is 'playing'.

There are no mirrors in the toy dept.

From the article: Police said Christopher Antonio was apparently playing near the 5-foot-tall mirror in the children's section of the store

Freak accidents happen

She wasn't looking at him.

From the article: The mother told police she was about 5 feet away from her son when she heard a loud crash.

Tragically, she wasn't looking. All it takes is one split second for a tragedy.

157 posted on 07/24/2006 8:57:42 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Darkchylde
Not really. If she had her eyes on the kid, she would've seen what he was doing. If she had seen what he was doing, she could've stopped him. If she could've stopped him, we wouldn't be discussing this now.

You don't know that. there is a 3rd scenario possible that everyone laying blame on either the mother or WalMart fail to grasp........it could have just been a freak accident that is NO ONE'S FAULT.

158 posted on 07/24/2006 9:00:31 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: lwg8tr
Your right, the mother is worse than Andrea Yates and should be drawn and quartered. 5 feet away is a whole 58 inches and that's too damn much to let a tike out of reach. Do you wrap your kids in bubble tape every time you leave the house? Ah..another contrarian Freeper wanting to argue the world's flat. Your assertion is idiotic, I'd drop it.

My assertion is correct and your sarcasm is useless. I grewup in a time when people actually controlled their children in a store. They said "Please" and "Thank you" and stayed by their parents and behaved.

159 posted on 07/24/2006 9:00:42 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Tragically, she wasn't looking. All it takes is one split second for a tragedy.

First thing you have said I agree with, now if we can get you to admit that every parent has had that second happen without the tragedy well have progress. No parent can look back, honestly, at the ages between 2 and 5 and say they never for a second took their eyes off the kid!

None of this address the fact the Mirror *MIGHT* have been improperly set up! And even if the mother took her eyes off the kid it would not excuse negligence. As I have said several times it could be mostly the mothers fault, it could be mostly Walmarts fault, or it could just be a freak accident..

160 posted on 07/24/2006 9:02:51 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3; DJ MacWoW; Skooz
Fact is we don't know who's, if anyones, fault this it.

Did you notice in the article, where it says she was about five feet away when she HEARD a crash? She didn't see anything. Maybe if she was looking at her kid she would've actually seen what was about to happen.

Freak accidents happen, even to perfect parents like you be careful in what you boast because, Lord forbid, someday you or someone you love might need a compassionate friend after such an accident..

I'm still here, I made it to 21 because my mom kept an eye on me. Both my brothers are still in perfect health because mom made sure we all behaved. My oldest brother keeps a hawk eye on his little girl now, just like my mom did with us.

161 posted on 07/24/2006 9:05:26 AM PDT by Darkchylde (Don't try my brother's coffee!)
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To: RandallFlagg
When I go to WalMart, my three-year-old is in the seat of the cart, and my five-year-old is in the basket.

My Wife gets the stuff we came for in the second cart.

This is EXACTLY how we did things when my kids were little. When my kids got older, I used that as an excuse to stay at home with the kids and let my wife go by herself (she actually ENJOYS Walmart - i think it might be a mental illness).

That being said, we've always given our kids a little more responsibility (and earned freedom) than their over-protected friends. This would manifest itself in very small ways when they were younger - including letting them get out of the cart within our site. So far, they're still alive, and MUCH more mature than their friends.

Being a father, I've viewed my role as slowly preparing them to no longer need me, starting from Toddler-hood. I've always been there to bail them out (and teach a lesson), and as they get older I bail them out less and let them feel the consequences of bad decisions. Yes, they could get hurt, but they could also get hurt with me hovering over them. I have more to say on this subject, but I don't want to come off as an Uber-parent (from the other end). Sorry if I have. To each his own.

162 posted on 07/24/2006 9:05:44 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: PattonFan

"It is likely that the mirror was hanging without much support and fell from the nails or clips which were used to secure it."


"A 3-year-old boy was fatally injured when a FLOOR-MOUNTED mirror fell on him at an Indianapolis Wal-Mart." See my post 71.


163 posted on 07/24/2006 9:05:46 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: N3WBI3
As I have said several times it could be mostly the mothers fault, it could be mostly Walmarts fault, or it could just be a freak accident..

I've been saying it as well, but too few are willing to look at this event in that light.

164 posted on 07/24/2006 9:06:39 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: N3WBI3
LOL, ever hear of Stairs, Candles, Crosses (Some of which hang and are rather large)? You seriously think because its a church there are not things there a kid could do to hurt themselves?

That's why you WATCH them.

165 posted on 07/24/2006 9:07:16 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Gabz
And if you paid attention to my comment, that you quoted, had the positions been reversed the mirror could just as well fallen on mom. Or if they were all together, on all of them.

Again, Mom was 5 ft away obviously looking at something since the article says this: The mother told police she was about 5 feet away from her son when she heard a loud crash. If he had been next to her, he wouldn't have been near the mirror. She wasn't even looking at him since she only heard the crash.

166 posted on 07/24/2006 9:07:33 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: PattonFan
No I'm only suggesting walmart be responsible for its store.

ya know that personal responsibility you posted earlier on.....
167 posted on 07/24/2006 9:08:37 AM PDT by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Well, at least this toddler's death was good for something.

It gave us all a chance to hear you preen what a superior parent you are.


168 posted on 07/24/2006 9:09:25 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: Samwise

7 years of good luck for lawyers,


169 posted on 07/24/2006 9:09:37 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: N3WBI3
None of this address the fact the Mirror *MIGHT* have been improperly set up! And even if the mother took her eyes off the kid it would not excuse negligence. As I have said several times it could be mostly the mothers fault, it could be mostly Walmarts fault, or it could just be a freak accident..

Sadly people leave items all over stores with no thought to what might happen with it being at that location.

Someone easily might have had the mirror in their cart.

They then decided against purchasing it.

They casually left it in the toy section, and this "could" be why a child is gone forever.

170 posted on 07/24/2006 9:10:39 AM PDT by wanderin
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To: TET1968
"It is likely that the mirror was hanging without much support and fell from the nails or clips which were used to secure it."

"A 3-year-old boy was fatally injured when a FLOOR-MOUNTED mirror fell on him at an Indianapolis Wal-Mart." See my post

Quoted post not mine. :)

My postings have been all about how the parent should have been watching the child a bit closer.

171 posted on 07/24/2006 9:10:47 AM PDT by PattonFan
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To: Gabz
Please, allow me to point you to the sentence in the article that says : The mother told police she was about 5 feet away from her son when she heard a loud crash.

If she had been watching him, she would've seen him, not just heard the crash.

172 posted on 07/24/2006 9:12:17 AM PDT by Darkchylde (Don't try my brother's coffee!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

You are so hellbent on laying the blame on this woman that you absolutely refuse to accept the possibility the mirror could have fallen whether the kid was there or not....or if the mother, or someone else was standing there.

This woman just lost her child and all you care about is painting her as a negligent parent ebcause she didn't do exactly what you deem she should have been doing.

You weren't there, I wasn't there, there is not enough information in the article to lay blame on ANYONE.


173 posted on 07/24/2006 9:12:18 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: DJ MacWoW
Freak accidents happen. Take for instance that poor lady driving through that tunnel a week or two ago. If only someone had been watching her perhaps nothing would have fallen on her either.
174 posted on 07/24/2006 9:14:33 AM PDT by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: Skooz
It gave us all a chance to hear you preen what a superior parent you are.

No. I was a careful parent as I was taught to be.

Tragedy can happen in a heartbeat and you cannot replace a child.

175 posted on 07/24/2006 9:14:44 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Gabz

I keep seeing posts from other posters about keeping children less than a foot away. When I have tried doing that with five children we get dirty looks for blocking the aisles.


176 posted on 07/24/2006 9:14:50 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Darkchylde
LOL you're not even a parent! how could you possible know how physically impossible to see a kid every second of every day, especially when you're also watching another kid!
177 posted on 07/24/2006 9:15:09 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: DJ MacWoW

So answer the question do you let your kids get more thn 3 feet away from you at church?


178 posted on 07/24/2006 9:16:40 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: DJ MacWoW

No parent is more careful than I. I watch my children like a hawk.

Yet, I do not feel the reflexive need to condemn this woman for being a bad mother, nor to compare her unfavorably to me. Silly me.


179 posted on 07/24/2006 9:17:45 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: Skooz

He was not the only one, heck there are 21yo's with no kids telling us what great parents they are on this thread..


180 posted on 07/24/2006 9:18:12 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: Darkchylde

And it have very well happened even if she was standing right where the child was.


181 posted on 07/24/2006 9:18:26 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: linn37
ya know that personal responsibility you posted earlier on

LOL! I remember an incident that happened to me many, many, many..years ago. Don't know why I remember but I do.

As a small child, no more than 5, my Grandfather used to take me to the piggly-wiggly. I was fascinated by the shopping carts..wanted to push them around with one foot on the cart, the other pushing - a lot like a skateboard.

PaPaw told me not to every time..he watched me closely, one day, he turned his head, I got the cart, began pushing it, and it flipped over on top of me.

I could have been seriously injured. No fault of piggly-wiggly, it was my grandfathers fault for taking his eyes off of a precocious child!

My incident turned out just fine. But Stores can not be held responsible for everyone's children. Unless that mirror just fell off/over of its own accord..that is another thing entirely!

182 posted on 07/24/2006 9:19:12 AM PDT by PattonFan
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To: DJ MacWoW

We only have the mom's say-so as to what happened, and how far away she was. For all we know, she could have pushed the mirror over on the kid herself, so that she could sue the deep-pockets-company. Get her on a lie detector and grill her. Hard.


183 posted on 07/24/2006 9:20:01 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: Gabz
You are so hellbent on laying the blame on this woman that you absolutely refuse to accept the possibility the mirror could have fallen whether the kid was there or not....or if the mother, or someone else was standing there.

Have you really read what I said?

I said: If he had been next to her, he wouldn't have been near the mirror.

That means it would have fallen and missed him.

This woman just lost her child and all you care about is painting her as a negligent parent ebcause she didn't do exactly what you deem she should have been doing.

She wasn't looking at him. A parent can't take their eyes off a child. There are heartbreaking consequences. This is tragically one of them.

You weren't there, I wasn't there, there is not enough information in the article to lay blame on ANYONE.

Only if you don't read the article.

184 posted on 07/24/2006 9:20:31 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: N3WBI3

Yeah. It's easy to proxy lecture a mother who just lost her child when we have the advantage of perfect hindsight.


185 posted on 07/24/2006 9:20:51 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: N3WBI3

I have four nephews, a niece & my s-i-l is pregnant with a fifth. Is that not enough hands on experience for you? Believe it or not, I was also a child once.


186 posted on 07/24/2006 9:21:13 AM PDT by Darkchylde (Don't try my brother's coffee!)
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To: N3WBI3; Darkchylde
First thing you have said I agree with, now if we can get you to admit that every parent has had that second happen without the tragedy well have progress. No parent can look back, honestly, at the ages between 2 and 5 and say they never for a second took their eyes off the kid!

From my post 73: I'm assuming that most parents are smart enough to control their kids. When mine got too big for the carts, they were either in the basket or holding the pocket of my jeans. The MINUTE they let go I knew it and they were back by my side where they belonged. As they got older, when Hubby was along, he'd say, "where do your hands belong?". My boys put their hands in their pockets and stayed beside us.

Pinging one of my Freeper kids to confirm the above.

I was taught to be a vigilant parent. I was taught that my children were my responsibility and so was their safety. I took that seriously.

187 posted on 07/24/2006 9:21:50 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: PattonFan
No fault of piggly-wiggly, it was my grandfathers fault for taking his eyes off of a precocious child!

Actually bright boy it could have been your fault for disobeying your grandfather. But if you honestly expect anyone to be able to keep an eagle eye on a kid 24*7 or even every second of a shopping trip (you know when your looking at things like labels, prices, and taking stuff off of shelves and putting it into a cart) you're nuts..

188 posted on 07/24/2006 9:22:31 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: Skooz

And professional burn out. Someone who works in a field often isn't an expert, they simply know too much.....way more than the average person would know.

Which makes the sanctimony even more unkind.


189 posted on 07/24/2006 9:22:41 AM PDT by najida (The internet is for kids grown up-- Where else could you have 10,000 imaginary friends?)
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To: Gabz
And it have very well happened even if she was standing right where the child was.

If she was standing right there, she could've removed him from the situation. I don't know of any parent who would just stand there if they saw something about to fall on their child.

190 posted on 07/24/2006 9:23:03 AM PDT by Darkchylde (Don't try my brother's coffee!)
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To: linn37
Freak accidents happen. Take for instance that poor lady driving through that tunnel a week or two ago. If only someone had been watching her perhaps nothing would have fallen on her either.

Apples and oranges.

191 posted on 07/24/2006 9:23:24 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: PattonFan
This is the fault of the PARENT...I blame the parent because the parent was clueless...No matter what the truth of the incident really is, one FACT is that she took her eyes off of her child in Wal-Mart..geez! Anything could happen in a second.

You are one miserable excuse for a human being.

Note: See how easy it is making snap judgements? Want another?

You are a jerk.

I hope you are never judged by someone with all the compassion you have.

192 posted on 07/24/2006 9:23:29 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (I would never belong to any club that would have someone like me as a member.)
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To: PattonFan
I've seen how today's parents let children run wild there.

Our local store is literally packed with family groups on the weekend. Invariably there will be a couple of kids in the store chasing each other, not paying any attention to people or things in their way. In this case the child that was killed was probably too little to have managed it on his own- but his older sibling might have been involved, or other children in the store.

193 posted on 07/24/2006 9:24:11 AM PDT by Spyder
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To: Darkchylde
Welcome to a "parenting" thread on FR! They rate a '7' on the "might become a flamewar" scale, right behind crevo, tattoo, and immigration threads.

Personally, I welcome your input, although I THINK we disagree somewhat.

194 posted on 07/24/2006 9:24:58 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: N3WBI3
So answer the question do you let your kids get more thn 3 feet away from you at church?

Considering that they are 35, 31 and 21 now?

I taught Sunday School for some years. Kids 3 to 5. We walked in pairs and they walked beside me. They did NOT run ahead.

195 posted on 07/24/2006 9:26:20 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Darkchylde
Son, I had my first nephew when I was 10, he is now 20... I had fourteen nieces and nephews before I had my first kid at 28. I did the whole babysitting, taking to the park, zoo, church etc with more than four kids in toe and I can tell you this..

All of that pales to the having the sole day to day responsibility of watching *1* let alone *2* kids under five years old. So I'm sorry until you've lived that life you need to realize your station and stop giving advice on something you're clearly not familiar with!

196 posted on 07/24/2006 9:27:14 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Must be nice to *never* make a mistake... Guess youre just gifted..


197 posted on 07/24/2006 9:28:03 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: Warren_Piece

Ah, well thank you. Even if we do disagree. :-)


198 posted on 07/24/2006 9:28:58 AM PDT by Darkchylde (Don't try my brother's coffee!)
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To: Skooz
Yet, I do not feel the reflexive need to condemn this woman for being a bad mother, nor to compare her unfavorably to me. Silly me.

This discussion started because someone suggested that Mom should have put the 3 yr old in a cart. I don't find that unreasonable. Too bad you do.

199 posted on 07/24/2006 9:29:11 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: PattonFan

Great. Now they'll have even LESS money for clean floors and bathrooms.


200 posted on 07/24/2006 9:29:35 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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