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Sorry, but my children bore me to death! (Feminism's highest honor, Grand Narcissism)
Daily Mail ^ | 26th July 2006 | HELEN KIRWAN-TAYLOLR

Posted on 07/26/2006 7:17:10 AM PDT by carlo3b

Sorry, but my children bore me to death!
by HELEN KIRWAN-TAYLOLR, Daily Mail 08:00am 26th July 2006

It's the start of the summer holidays, when millions of mothers despair at how to entertain their children for the next six weeks. What none of them dare say is that they would rather their children were still at school or, frankly, anywhere else. Helen Kirwan-Taylor, a 42-year-old writer, lives in Notting Hill, West London, with her businessman husband Charles and their sons Constantin, 12, and Ivan, ten. Here, she argues provocatively that modern women must not be enslaved by their children.

The lies started when my eldest son was less than ten months old.

Invitations to attend a child's birthday party or, worse, a singalong session were met with the same refrain: 'I would love to but I just can't spare the time.'

The nanny was dispatched in my place, and almost always returned complaining that my son had been singled out for pitiful stares by the other mothers.

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Kids are supposed to be fulfilling, life-changing, life-enhancing fun: why was my attitude towards them so different?

While all my girlfriends were dropping important careers and occupying their afternoons with cake baking, I was begging the nanny to stay on, at least until she had read my two a bedtime story. What kind of mother hates reading bedtime stories? A bad mother, that's who, and a mother who is bored rigid by her children.

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Am I a lazy, superficial person because I don't enjoy packing up their sports kit, or making their lunch, or sitting through coffee mornings with other mothers discussing how Mr Science (I can't remember most of the teachers' names) said such and such to Little Johnny and should we all complain to the headmaster.

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To: retrokitten
She loves when I get her clothes, but it's getting harder and harder to find things that are cute and trendy and not skanky. I mean, come on, hip-huggers for little girls??? They don't even have hips!

Tell me about it........my daughter is 8 and finding clothes for her is getting more and more difficult.

251 posted on 07/26/2006 11:54:08 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: LWalk18
Amen all the way. Children are not equipped to be the "solution" to any of those problems. To saddle them with that responsibility is a recipe for disaster!
252 posted on 07/26/2006 11:56:59 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Quilla

Wow. Your story is truly inspirational. You found something in yourself that was not naturally bequeathed to you by your mother.

Amazing story of "breaking the chain." Good for you.


253 posted on 07/26/2006 12:01:07 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Tired of Taxes
I don't know any mothers like the woman who wrote this article.

Count yourself lucky. Wife's friends and family are liberal to flaming feminist and I get to hear this tripe all the time. No idea what she has in common with them.

Some of her friends are pretty good Moms, but the ones that stick out, really stick out. My wife is a stay at home Mom, and I think that they simultaneously envy her, while they're guilty for their own selfishness of not being willing to make the sacrifices needed to stay at home. (Please note - they're ABLE to stay at home, all married, husbands have stable jobs, etc....they're just not WILLING to give up all the extras that losing a 2nd income entails)

The latest is that Mrs. WBill "shouldn't homeschool so that she doesn't lose her identity", whatever that means. And this is from my Mother in Law, who I would think would want the very best for her grandkid.

I'm very lucky in that my wife knows her own mind and is not afraid to tell them to get stuffed.

254 posted on 07/26/2006 12:40:20 PM PDT by wbill
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To: carlo3b

I am in agreement.


255 posted on 07/26/2006 1:28:24 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: wbill
The latest is that Mrs. WBill "shouldn't homeschool so that she doesn't lose her identity", whatever that means.

In that case, I sympathize with your wife. I hear the same things from my relatives, too. I have had to especially listen to the "what about socialization" question on homeschooling from them. Most had their kids in daycare at some point while they worked (as "professionals"). But, I must say, all my relatives enjoy being with their kids.

Luckily, my mother is very supportive of staying home. She had to listen to the same comments back in the 60's and 70's when she stayed home with us kids. In fact, she would've been upset if I put her grandkids in daycare.

256 posted on 07/26/2006 1:46:16 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: carlo3b

I have never been bored for one second with my kids. At every age they are a delight. I do pity her children too; if she can't bear the simple little things, she must not be much comfort when they are truly sick or scared. What a sad childhood they must have.


257 posted on 07/26/2006 1:57:11 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: linda_22003
"I don't know about Biblical names a generation ago; even two generations ago, I don't recall growing up with a lot of Hepzibahs or Ezekiels."

For some reason, Old Testament names were popular among blacks: Isaiah, Hosea, Aaron, Moses, etc. And among all groups, OT names like David, Sarah, Ruth, Rachel were common. And common names like John, James, Peter, Paul, Stephen, Luke, Philip, Matthew, Joseph, Andrew, Mary, Anne etc. all go back to Biblical times (of course, the spelling and pronunciation were different then because these are Anglicized versions of Greek and Hebrew names).
258 posted on 07/26/2006 1:57:46 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: wbill; MHGinTN; sweetliberty; floriduh voter; xsmommy; Gabz; Dutchgirl; tioga; secret garden
Caught a re-run of the old HBO sex-in-the-city show on some cable station last night as I was flipping channels: One of the scenes had the protagonist (between copulating) getting a pair of shoes as compensation for "being single" and not having kids.

Show ended at that point with her claiming that the "modern single woman has to wear a different pair of shoes." Same thing: Kids = 0.00 and are a mess, noisy, a drag and a bother and a nuisance.

Shoes = "Very important, and are a symbol of an important lifestyle that makes me feel good about myself."
259 posted on 07/26/2006 2:03:14 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: carlo3b

First, I hope she is ready for the day when her husband tells her he has a young girlfriend because his wife bores him to death.

Also, I hope she is ready for the subdued hatred of the children who have to carry this public admission around and continually prove to their friends that they aren't really boring. They will probably decide to show her just how boring they aren't when they get just a bit older. I predict these kids will try to be hell-raisers and will succeed.

I know of a kid whose mother, the wife of a prominent politician, called him "the mistake", the "unplanned" kid, in an interview. I think he was in high school at the time. He loved her dearly for that, I'm sure.

So, if you have messed up with your kids in some way, shut the EFF up! They don't need to hear you essentially berating them publicly. They WILL get even.


260 posted on 07/26/2006 2:14:08 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: carlo3b

What a selfish person she is. My summers are too short with my kids. In a mere 2 weeks my kids go back to school. I have such fun with them, I can't imagine dreading spending time with them. :(


261 posted on 07/26/2006 2:17:03 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: carlo3b

Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb is a reward. Psalm 127:3


262 posted on 07/26/2006 2:20:34 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: TNCMAXQ

[Why did she have children at all?]


Two possibilities:
1) Forgot to make the abortion appointment
2) Her friends had kids and she needed to prove something


263 posted on 07/26/2006 2:23:33 PM PDT by spinestein (Follow "The Bronze Rule")
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To: Warren_Piece

Read "I love you forever" or "The giving Tree." You will become a puddle, the tears will be falling so quickly. :)


264 posted on 07/26/2006 2:26:48 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: carlo3b

Boy am I glad she's not my mom. I'd hate to read about myself in the paper that way. Plus who cares- shut the he** up and DEAL. What a whiner.


265 posted on 07/26/2006 2:28:53 PM PDT by lawgirl (She comes on like thunder and she's more right than rain)
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To: Gabz; retrokitten

She loves when I get her clothes, but it's getting harder and harder to find things that are cute and trendy and not skanky. I mean, come on, hip-huggers for little girls??? They don't even have hips!
Tell me about it........my daughter is 8 and finding clothes for her is getting more and more difficult.


I agree!


266 posted on 07/26/2006 2:29:32 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: All
Just wanted to share with all of you the latest addition to our family.

Tyler

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267 posted on 07/26/2006 2:32:19 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Be fair; not just ANY shoes. Carrie usually rewarded herself with a new pair of Manolo Blahniks. :)


268 posted on 07/26/2006 2:35:52 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Delphinium

Bless you for what you're doing. What's happened to American women? I hope your generation begins to speak out. I also hope your ex-daughter-in-law doesn't go into pediatrics.


269 posted on 07/26/2006 2:52:31 PM PDT by polymuser
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To: linda_22003
and my husband says, "I see we have a new little law firm".

Dewey, Cheatham And Howe?

270 posted on 07/26/2006 3:23:13 PM PDT by MrEdd (Bad spellers of the world - UNTIE!,)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Boy you would have hated the columns that show was based on -- they've been sweetened up considerably for TV.


271 posted on 07/26/2006 3:26:20 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: carlo3b
Am I a lazy, superficial person because I don't enjoy packing up their sports kit, or making their lunch, or sitting through coffee mornings with other mothers discussing how Mr Science (I can't remember most of the teachers' names) said such and such to Little Johnny and should we all complain to the headmaster.

No, you are not superficial because you don't enjoy it. You are superficial because you think everything is supposed to be for your enjoyment.

272 posted on 07/26/2006 3:36:07 PM PDT by Samwise (All that is needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.)
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To: Warren_Piece
How old are your kids? I've found that in early childhood, the Dad is pretty much in the way, and can easily become bored since he has no role that fits his "skills".

You missed watching Godzilla® movies and wrestling in slow motion with your kids when they're 4 or 5? And teaching them to melt plastic army men with a magnifying glass? And giving lessons on how to approach and treat animals? A lot of fun stuff comes early on. If you wait until they are 10 you miss it.

273 posted on 07/26/2006 3:41:54 PM PDT by MrEdd (Bad spellers of the world - UNTIE!,)
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To: MrEdd

I stand corrected.

I guess I was talking more of the family dynamics. The mother is of extreme importance in the younger years, the father is of extreme importance in the later years (see inner city for negative example).

But you're right. Wrestling in slow motion is a blast.


274 posted on 07/26/2006 4:14:36 PM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: mware

What a beautiful baby!
The picture of him smiling in his sleep is precious!


275 posted on 07/26/2006 5:04:55 PM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: carlo3b
This has been a great summer. There have been more kids running around the neighborhood than ever. I enjoy watching them play endlessly with boundless energy. There are 9 boys who make up the crowd.

Moms who strictly made them stay in their own yards have relented and they roam about as they should.

I am tolerated and respected as the elder on the block, and they joyously pass me on my bike.... doing wheelies or other tricks beyond my ability.

I worry they think my interest might be perverted because of all the bad news that circulates.
276 posted on 07/26/2006 5:12:08 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: HungarianGypsy
You know I wasn't talking about you. ;-) You wouldn't believe how many times I will go out with my husband, hear a baby cry, then want to go home and see my baby. This usually after only a couple of hours.

I confess that just last month my husband and I took a trip without the kids and I enjoyed it very much and didn't miss them a bit.

I spend a lot of time with my kids and love them to pieces! Sometimes they irritate me, and sometimes I pretend to be interested when I'm not. But most of the time I really like being with them. They are funny and have interesting ideas. I can't imagine missing one of their games or performances!

It's actually quite sad that this woman cannot enjoy her children.

277 posted on 07/26/2006 7:11:08 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Gabz
And when it comes to having a talker.......well, there is no denying she is her mother's daughter. Asd my husband is fond of saying - we couldn't wait for her to start walking and talking, now we wish she would sit down and shut up. (totally meant in jest)

LOL!! My two boys were born 6 years apart. With the little one, my husband often mentioned strapping a weight to his head to discourage him from walking.

278 posted on 07/26/2006 7:22:18 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: HungarianGypsy

"There are actually a few commercials on the same theme. There was a Famous Footwear radio spot a few years back that went on about how wonderful it would be when the kids go back to school. I hated it when that commercial came on."

I must admit...I DO feel that way when September comes around. There are days when the kids are whining and fighting all day during the summer, and at the end of those days I can sound an awful lot like the author of this article.
But I get over it after I get some sleep and I chalk up my bad attitude towards exhaustion, and I try again the next day.

There is a middle ground....our children can fit into our adult lives, and we adults can fit into their lives.
We love them, encourage them, teach them, and spend time with them...but there are also times when parents have to do things for themselves or else they will go insane.

It doesn't sound like this author has seen there can be a middle ground. She seems to have taken a "us vs. them" approach.
Very sad.


279 posted on 07/26/2006 7:24:14 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: bert; christie; stanz; jellybean; Angelique; Howie; TwoStep; piasa; Exit148; RJayneJ; ...
I worry they think my interest might be perverted because of all the bad news that circulates.

I couldn't agree with you more, to no ones surprise, because I will alway respect men who enjoy being around children, not just our own, but all children..

I talk about my life with my kids often, and I guess the poor folks on my food and family ping list have to endure my endless prattle about my life as a single dad.. But, that is why I can understand your concern about being around other peoples kids.. What a shame, I had 3 or more kids in my home almost every day, especially around meal times..

I hoped it was because it was my cooking, but I know it was more, it was because I was a dad that they were comfortable talking to and joking with, and who loved just being a dad..

My last boy is now going off to college, to make his own footprints, and someday emulate his upbringing, and be a dad to his kids.. His absence will be deafening, but I have the love of my other 4 kids and my fabulous grandchildren who live close by..

So ride your bike my FRiend, and be a great adult hero to the young'ins while you can, it passes sooooo quickly.. Thanks for listening.. :)

280 posted on 07/26/2006 7:41:47 PM PDT by carlo3b ("Leave the gun, take the cannolis")
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To: carlo3b
I hoped it was because it was my cooking, but I know it was more, it was because I was a dad that they were comfortable talking to and joking with, and who loved just being a dad..

Two boys who live around the corner spend a lot of time at my house. These boys (7 and 9) have two little step-brothers (1 1/2 and a few months). Well, I got to hear all about how mom sends the oldest baby off with grandparents for days at a time because she can't handle both little ones.

Meanwhile, her older kids are with me learning how to swim and float (both were afraid of the water last summer), talking a mile per minute about all sorts of things, begging to be fed, and the little one takes every opportunity to grab ahold of me or lean against my leg.

Frankly, it gets irritating. If I wanted 4 children, I'd have birthed 4 children. But then I look at these two little kids and think that someone has to care about them.

281 posted on 07/26/2006 7:54:55 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: carlo3b

Time to read it - thanks for the pings


282 posted on 07/26/2006 7:55:25 PM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998. (stolen from one cool dude))
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To: carlo3b
My one and only Grandson turned 12, today. The age of accountability!!!

Nice thread Carlo and great commentary as usual... Now we have two beautiful women to miss... right?

283 posted on 07/26/2006 7:58:34 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Memo To: Uncle Sam Re: Terrorists, Insurgents and Illegal Combatants...NoUniforms... No Prisoners!!!)
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To: twigs

"I always just hated that Staples commercial at the end of the summer that has the parents skating behind a shopping cart buying supplies so that their children can finally return to school. Even though I worked, I loved having her home."

Me too! Probably has something to do with why I'm now a homeschooler. I enjoy having some "down time," but I like my kids! There is something magical about seeing the world open up to them a bit at a time -- she's totally missing that.

The author says that kids are fine if you feed them, dress them, and tell them you love them -- she may tell her kids she loves the, but does she *show* it?


284 posted on 07/26/2006 8:10:43 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: carlo3b
I got to have lunch with my son and daughter and her 17 year old son today. The three of them work together in the family business along with my son in law.

We ate fish and chips at a new diner called Gofish.

There are very few young kids in our neighborhood.As a matter of fact they are closing schools here in Eureka...

285 posted on 07/26/2006 8:11:06 PM PDT by tubebender (Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.)
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To: SierraWasp
Now we have two beautiful women to miss... right?

Indeed we do my dear Waspman, I was thinking that very thing earlier today.. I know both are just jabbering together all day long and watching us to see if we drop the flag.. I am so happy to have you close my dear FRiend.. It keeps me in line.. :)

286 posted on 07/26/2006 8:11:58 PM PDT by carlo3b ("Leave the gun, take the cannolis")
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To: kevkrom
On a completely opposite note, Mrs. kevkrom and I (joyfully) expecting children #2 and #3 on or about Feb. 1.

Woo Hoo!!!

Please build a ping list for the birth announcement and put me on it!

287 posted on 07/26/2006 8:12:24 PM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998. (stolen from one cool dude))
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To: carlo3b
I love children. I love them dearly.

Good post.

288 posted on 07/26/2006 8:12:29 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: carlo3b

I just had my 16th grandchild!


289 posted on 07/26/2006 8:12:39 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 1-9)
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To: tubebender
The three of them work together in the family business along with my son in law.

How lucky we are my friend to have the kids close, and to see them working together.. That is a real treat.. I raised my first 3 daughters doing homework at a back table in my first restaurant.. We were closer than most families back then and I am proud to say we are even closer now.. Keep cookin and kissin, that is a perfect recipe.. :)

290 posted on 07/26/2006 8:18:26 PM PDT by carlo3b ("Leave the gun, take the cannolis")
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To: kevkrom; don-o
Mrs. kevkrom and I (joyfully) expecting children #2 and #3 on or about Feb. 1.

I agree Don, we should build a ping list.. Geeeze, that's entertainment!!! CONGRADULATIONS.. YeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

291 posted on 07/26/2006 8:21:35 PM PDT by carlo3b ("Leave the gun, take the cannolis")
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To: Dianna
But then I look at these two little kids and think that someone has to care about them.

Good on ya - you never know what a touch of human kindness may do for these little ones

292 posted on 07/26/2006 8:22:09 PM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998. (stolen from one cool dude))
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To: Victoria Delsoul
I love children. I love them dearly.

.. and I know that they love you too sweetie... Huggg

293 posted on 07/26/2006 8:23:18 PM PDT by carlo3b ("Leave the gun, take the cannolis")
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To: Dianna

"Frankly, it gets irritating. If I wanted 4 children, I'd have birthed 4 children. But then I look at these two little kids and think that someone has to care about them."

Please know you're doing something truely wonderful for these kids. It may just be the influence in their lives that they need to keep them on the "straight and narrow", knowing that somebody cares about them.


294 posted on 07/26/2006 8:23:58 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: tubebender

They are all moving to Tennessee. We are building schools here


295 posted on 07/26/2006 8:24:03 PM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998. (stolen from one cool dude))
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To: carlo3b

I suspect she has a problem with the father in order for her to despise the children so.


296 posted on 07/26/2006 8:25:09 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Alouette
I just had my 16th grandchild!

What a blessing.. and still soooo young.. but you must of had your first child at 4 years old.. :))

297 posted on 07/26/2006 8:25:29 PM PDT by carlo3b ("Leave the gun, take the cannolis")
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To: carlo3b

Hugs to you as well.


298 posted on 07/26/2006 8:28:00 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Dianna
her older kids are with me learning how to swim and float (both were afraid of the water last summer), talking a mile per minute about all sorts of things, begging to be fed, and the little one takes every opportunity to grab ahold of me or lean against my leg.

Kids know good people almost instinctively.. Bless them, and bless you, they are just starved, for everything that all children need.. :(

299 posted on 07/26/2006 8:28:55 PM PDT by carlo3b ("Leave the gun, take the cannolis")
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To: af_vet_1981
I suspect she has a problem with the father in order for her to despise the children so.

I am afraid that he is problerably no better than she is.. Reading the article, there is no mention of dad taking the kids to the park or anywhere else, only a nanny.. God bless her kids to have been brought into the world to build their resume, and complete the Christmas Cards photo..

300 posted on 07/26/2006 8:33:13 PM PDT by carlo3b ("Leave the gun, take the cannolis")
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