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To: Restorer
Let's assume Hitler conquered USSR in 1941. He came very close, you know.

No, he didn't. In order to "conquer" the Soviet Union it would have been necessary for Germany to invade and occupy a region that covers 11 time zones from west to east and is filled with multiple racial and ethnic groups that couldn't even be controlled by a totalitarian Soviet government with nuclear arms at its disposal. The Germans would have spent the better part of 50 years just coping with the disaster they brought upon themselves by "winning" that war.

With such a scenario the Nazis could have realistically invaded and taken the US by perhaps 1955, by which time it would have been the US and Canada against the rest of the world.

Take a look at a map of North America, and then imagine what it would have been like 50 years ago when the population was less than half of what it is now. This place would have been basically ungovernable back then -- especially when you consider that even to this day in our candy-@ssed, feminized culture there are still about twice as many firearms in the U.S. as there are people.

However, I will bet you anything you like that I can come up with a more realistic scenario by which the Germans invaded and conquered the US as part of an extended WWII than you can come up with one by which the jihadis invade and conquer us.

You're right. The notion that "jihadis" could invade and conquer the U.S. is delusional. That doesn't make your "extended World War II" scenario with Germany any more realistic.

72 posted on 08/04/2006 11:41:52 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

I don't believe the Germans ever had any thought of taking over the entire USSR. I believe they could have conquered and held the European portion, west of the Urals. I don't think they would have had that much trouble crushing resistance once their formal enemny had dispersed. You must remember the Nazis had no problem at all with worrying about collateral damage. If they had to kill the "multiple racial and ethnic groups" of this area, that was doable for them.

I realize the Soviets coulnd't control things all that tightly, but the Nazis were a good deal more efficient than the commies at everything, especially killing.

To "conquer" the USSR, all Hitler would have had to do was disrupt its ability to continue to fight. The highly centralized nature of a Commie dictatorship makes it peculiarly susceptible to an attack on its nerve center. Many respected analysts believe the USSR would have collapsed had Moscow been occupied.

I agree that a more likely scenario would be an Africa and Eurasia controlled by the Axis, and Americas controlled by America. However, Latin American dictators would have been a fertile field for Nazi diplomacy and sooner or later it would tend to wind up with the US and Canada vs. the rest of the world. Such a confrontation could only end in one way, although it would probably have taken much longer than my speeded-up version posted earlier.


80 posted on 08/04/2006 1:22:05 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Alberta's Child
This place would have been basically ungovernable back then -- especially when you consider that even to this day in our candy-@ssed, feminized culture there are still about twice as many firearms in the U.S. as there are people.

The United States is estimated to have between 238 million and 276 million firearms. With roughly 83–96 guns per 100 people, the United States is approaching a statistical level of one gun per person. That's from page one of a pdf link. I have no idea about how they derive the numbers. I have seen an estimated 280 million firearms in the USA more than a few times, so it may be old now.

112 posted on 08/05/2006 8:29:08 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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