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Could rising gas prices kill the suburbs?
msn ^ | 8/15/06 | marylin lewis

Posted on 08/15/2006 9:32:24 AM PDT by LouAvul

Rising fuel costs are being blamed for everything from soaring utility costs to lower retail sales and higher airline tickets. And now, experts say high gas prices could reshape U.S. cities.

"Most analysts believe that crude oil prices in the $50s and $60s will be with us for some time," says Stuart Gabriel, director of the Lusk Center, a think tank at the University of Southern California devoted to studying real estate forces and trends. There's even talk of crude hitting $100 per barrel -- or 10 times what it sold for in the summer of 2005.

Once the realization soaks into the American consciousness that high-cost gas is here to stay, Gabriel predicts, those high commute prices will pull more homeowners -- even young families -- to live in central cities and create a push for more public transportation.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: energy; gasprices; suburbs; telecommute; telecommuting
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To: BillM
Of course. Isn't it amazing that the fools in the MSM "forgot" to think of the ease in which the majority of office workers can today work from home?

Any savings gained by the millions swarming to the cities will be more then offset by the rise in taxes in those cities that will follow in order to grow the services needed to support the huge influx. Add to that the fact the real estate market will boom, pushing prices through the roof as all those suburbanites rush to buy property and it is easy to see that this gloom and doom scenario will never take place.
21 posted on 08/15/2006 9:47:11 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Dilbert56

"Telecommuting..."

Many of us are there or headed that way.

Good for making money and spending money.

We can shop on the internet for lots of stuff.


22 posted on 08/15/2006 9:47:41 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: LouAvul

First time homebuyer builders in the smalttown outlying bedroom communities of my area taking a huge hit since Katrina. Several I've talked to blame it on the high cost of gas.


23 posted on 08/15/2006 9:48:42 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: LouAvul

It will end up reshaping the political leadership long before it significantly impacts suburban appeal in any significant way.


24 posted on 08/15/2006 9:48:50 AM PDT by Prysson
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To: george76; Dilbert56

If someone can telecommute from thirty or forty miles away, why not just hire a guy in India for about 1/10 the salary and have him telecommute?


25 posted on 08/15/2006 9:49:31 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: LouAvul

Nah - who wants to live in filthy cities with noise, pollution, no grass, worse-than-poor schools, high taxes, high housing prices, and high general cost of living ?

Gas will have to get pretty expensive before people with kids would move into cities. Heck, they won't even live in the inner suburbs anymore because of Section 8 and high property taxes.


26 posted on 08/15/2006 9:49:31 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: LouAvul
Lots of people commute to the Bay Area in CA from outlying areas, I did it for years because I could make more money in the Bay Area, however, I could not afford to live in the Bay Area, and didn't want to, even with the increase in pay, so I drove about 2.5 hours one way to get to work. With the cost of gas then, I was able to live where I wanted and still come out ahead, although not by as much as I had originally thought, because it is not just the gas but the wear and tear on the vehicle. Today I think it very unlikely that I would clear more money by making that commute.

Besides the money thing you have to consider the terrible toll that a 5 hour drive(total both ways)takes on a person. I would never do it again, and I think we will see more people actually commuting less because the money spent on gas will take the difference in income. Why put up with the drive if you can earn less but clear the same money working closer to home?

The alternative of course would be to move to the Bay Area, but then a lot of people simply don't want to live in that hell hole and the cost of living there is very high, that is why the pay is so good. So, they will get jobs closer to where they live instead of moving, JMO.

27 posted on 08/15/2006 9:49:40 AM PDT by calex59 (Hillary Clinton is dumber than a one eyed monkey with a brain tumor(credit to Harley69))
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
World population is not increasing; rather it is stagnating and will decline after several decades.

I believe you are misinformed.

Population is not decreasing. The rate of increase is slowing in a few developed countries but the number of people on the planet continues to increase, just as it is in the US.

This has everything to do with supply and demand and the price of oil and the price of any other resource in limited supply. We do not have an unlimited supply of cheap oil or even expensive oli.

28 posted on 08/15/2006 9:50:35 AM PDT by citizenmike
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To: Kozak
Gas is down 13cents a gallon here to 2.99. Hardly a disaster....

And what is the price in Lichtenstein?

29 posted on 08/15/2006 9:51:06 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: LouAvul
I knew commuters in California who would spend one to two hours, one way, going to work. They could make more where they worked but buy affordable homes elsewhere.

Very, very few people commute that far. Soaring gas prices could concievably affect people that drive that much, but for the vast majority of Americans, saving one hundred dollars a month in extra energy costs isn't enough to warrant moving from somewhere they like to somewhere they don't.

30 posted on 08/15/2006 9:52:26 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (- Islam will never survive being laughed at. -)
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To: Dilbert56

I'm sitting in my home 52 miles away from the office freeping/working. The trend should increase.


31 posted on 08/15/2006 9:52:27 AM PDT by 3dognight
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To: LouAvul

Lefty urban types wish that gas prices would reverse the flight to the suburbs but it will never happen.

The vast majority of people will simply take a sack lunch or stop sucking up social justice coffee to offset the increase. The downsides of inner city life are just too huge to be attractive.

There are fewer and fewer reasons to set up businesses in large cities today (aside from retail operations, I mean).


32 posted on 08/15/2006 9:52:38 AM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: Gingersnap

Do a quick survey among the professional class in your town and find out where their kids are living. That's the trend.


33 posted on 08/15/2006 9:53:42 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: LouAvul

Port St. Lucie, Fl., about an hour north of West Palm Beach, hour and half north of Ft. Lauderdale and 2 north of Miami had been getting many folks buying here to get out of the crime and rat race down there.
Sales have been droping due to gas prices.


34 posted on 08/15/2006 9:54:42 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: LouAvul
There's even talk of crude hitting $100 per barrel -- or 10 times what it sold for in the summer of 2005.

So oil sold for $10 per barrel in the summer of 2005?? I don't think so.
35 posted on 08/15/2006 9:55:08 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: durasell

That does happen.

Hopefully, we bring special skills or training. Which is why we should encourage the next generation to get skills in school that have a market value.

We can also telecommute part of the week and visit clients at their jobs sites as needed, which they can not always easily do from India.


36 posted on 08/15/2006 9:55:27 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Gingersnap

My generation is living in the city now. My wife and I (we're both 24) bought our house last year in the city. 4 couples we are good friends with did the same. All mention gas prices as one of the reasons.


37 posted on 08/15/2006 9:56:10 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: BillM

Thought we'd been in that process for the last few decades.


38 posted on 08/15/2006 9:56:24 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: LouAvul

Maybe I'm just lucky, but you can still find nice homes and neighborhoods within the city limits, it's not like the whole place is run-down and crime infested. And actually I prefer an older almost antique home with some character in the city close to everything over the typical cookie cutter boring homes in the suburbs. I know it all depends on the city and places like Detroit or Baltimore are out.


39 posted on 08/15/2006 9:56:30 AM PDT by Nomad817
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To: durasell
If someone can telecommute from thirty or forty miles away, why not just hire a guy in India for about 1/10 the salary and have him telecommute?

I telecommute right now, and the reason is there isn't anybody in India who can do what I do, as well as I do it, for 1/10 the salary, or even for the same salary or more.

40 posted on 08/15/2006 9:57:03 AM PDT by Sooth2222
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