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vanity: massive fall in commodities across the board
various | 9-11-06 | self

Posted on 09/11/2006 9:18:01 AM PDT by staytrue

Commodities of all types are falling big today.

Oil down over a dollar.

Gold down 23 dollars.

Silver down a dollar.

Grains and meats are down.

sugar, cotton, orange juice, lumber down also.

Cocoa and live hogs are about even.


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To: MainFrame65

"I don't recall then, but this DROP in commodity prices would seem to indicate LESS danger in world politics."

That's one interpretation, one with plenty of historical backing behind it.

Another interpretation is that the market is anticipating an economic slowdown. At the risk of taking an example of one (half) day and one stock, consider CAT, who recently announced raising prices due to demand. OK, so if the steel/aluminum (X, AKS, SCHN, AL, AA) used to make those 'dozers is down...and if productivity is up....and we're entering a pretty bullish time for the markets...and if there's no inflation (ha) then why is CAT getting hit? But it's not so much an example of one if the base metals are being smacked, so there's that to consider.

Also, the precious metals aren't the "go to" thing on world political tensions they once were.

The third interpretation is that the stock market is Goldman Sachs', perhaps Mr. Poulson's random number generator.

The fourth interpretation is, since I've gotten about six cold calls from commodities brokers to go long energy, that was quite the clear sign. Didn't think it would infect the PMs so much, though.


61 posted on 09/11/2006 9:57:16 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (You're never more than a half-step away from a good note.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

I wouldn't say it's underrated. It was very popular when it was released. I remember because I did marketing for cable tv at the time, and when it premiered on our network (SHOWTIME - we had the exclusive cable rights at the time), it was a HUGE deal.


62 posted on 09/11/2006 9:58:40 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: EternalHope

L-E-V-E-R-A-G-E

When LTCM started crashing, practically nobody outside the quant hedge fund industry and related traders had ever heard of it, and their actual capital base was less than $5 billion -- large, but hardly a behemoth. The blow-up was triggered by a default in Russian debt, none of which was even held by LTCM.

I'm not saying anything like that is going on here. Just that the ripple effect of leverage can be pretty powerful, in some cases (like LTCM) turning into a domino effect.


63 posted on 09/11/2006 9:59:06 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Petronski

All-news-is-bad-news ping.


64 posted on 09/11/2006 10:01:55 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: staytrue
Gold down 23 dollars.

Buy the dip!

</sarcasm>

65 posted on 09/11/2006 10:03:21 AM PDT by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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To: staytrue

Commodity indices:

http://futures.fxstreet.com/Futures/quotes/gci/worldindices.asp

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/commodities/cfutures.html


66 posted on 09/11/2006 10:05:25 AM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: misterrob

I got mine in Fredericksburg on Saturday, then came home and had to buy lawnmower gas.It was $2.74 at the local Shell station. Fairfax charges more for everything, just because they can.


67 posted on 09/11/2006 10:10:47 AM PDT by billhilly (DU Funnies pingee # 911)
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To: HockeyPop
Oil Has Longest Losing Streak Since 2003 on Iranian Talks, OPEC Production


68 posted on 09/11/2006 10:16:28 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Cobra64
Well, the posters around here that like oil the most spend most of their time talking about how crappy ethanol is. That convinces me that it must be great, so that's one of my picks. Hydrogen fuel cells are the best, but are the farthest away technologically.

If gas prices stay high, the market will produce a competitor. Hopefully that competitor will stick around to have a calming effect on oil prices.
69 posted on 09/11/2006 10:17:36 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: All

Sugar down over 4%...


70 posted on 09/11/2006 10:18:09 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

With both gold and platinum falling, it seems difficult to equate this with an expected international crisis. Energy is a different story - I don't believe that even a world-wide depression we would actually see a drop in demand (although the rate of increase would certainly do so). But I think we will see alternative sources come on line in just a few years - about the same timeline as new deep wells. Oil shale and tar sand extraction and coal liquefaction are all very competitive at current prices, and remain viable down to $40 per barrel or less. And by far the greatest reserves of these are in the West.

I do not believe that corn is a viable ethanol source for the long term, but am certain that cellulostic (switchgrass) ethanol will be, because it will be far less resource intensive (water, land, fertilizer, and cultivation) once the necessary enzymes are developed.

I believe that OPEC fully understands this threat, and is frantic to lower the price drastically in order to kill the development incentive for these alternate technologies - but dares not discuss it openly! I hate to say it, but I do believe that the Gub'mint should intervene, by providing a guaranteed subsidy for these alternative products for a few years in order to get the plants built.

Then we can tell the Saudis that our kids already have their sandboxes full and we don't need anything they produce.


71 posted on 09/11/2006 10:28:52 AM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: croixjr; Hydroshock; ex-Texan
This good for inflation - which has been rising and that is why housing is up today---Toll Brothers and KBH.

Pulte, the largest homebuilder is up almost 3%.

72 posted on 09/11/2006 10:31:19 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

So


73 posted on 09/11/2006 10:32:49 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: staytrue

Did China stop buying everything? Is someone expecting a terrorist attack?


74 posted on 09/11/2006 10:46:21 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: staytrue

Which once again proves you can't go wrong with chocolate or bacon.


75 posted on 09/11/2006 10:47:21 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Don't fall for the soft bigotry of assuming all Hispanics are pro-amnesty. www.dontspeakforme.org)
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To: MainFrame65

Coal liquidfication is indeed looking more profitable. It takes five times+ rail cars to move the same amount of coal as it would with liquified.


76 posted on 09/11/2006 10:50:57 AM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: Plutarch

Wow, a whole dollar? Oh...my....God!
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We're not talking gas price here we're talking a 1.5% drop in less than a half day. A lot of speculators got caught. But watch for the bounce when Iran puts the squeeze on supply, and winter sets in after people guzzle all the excess supply.


77 posted on 09/11/2006 10:53:17 AM PDT by photodawg
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To: mysterio

Oil needs a hell of a lot bigger correction than that. And it needs a competitor to keep it corrected.



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You are in denial. (smile)


78 posted on 09/11/2006 10:55:00 AM PDT by photodawg
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To: staytrue

Leading indicator of a major attack????


79 posted on 09/11/2006 10:55:51 AM PDT by null and void (Islamic communities belong in Islamic countries.- Eric in the Ozarks)
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To: staytrue
platinum down 37 dollars

I'll bet the CEO of Stillwater mining's ready to open a vein.

80 posted on 09/11/2006 10:56:22 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (USAF Air Rescue "That others may live.")
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