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To: dandelion
Sadly, this might end up with the government telling "backyard gardeners" that they can't use manure for fertilizer - and that makes me even more uncomfortable.

Not half as uncomfortable as e-coli will make you.

Contrary to common birkenstock belief, most of the stuff in Manure is not beneficial for gardening. The part that is, well you can get that in a bag and be assured of getting just the best part. Chemistry is your friend. Mankind stopped crapping in the fields a long time ago.

22 posted on 09/16/2006 12:20:06 AM PDT by adamsjas
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To: adamsjas

excellent comment


24 posted on 09/16/2006 12:29:20 AM PDT by Aussiebabe
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To: adamsjas
Sources of the bacterium include uncooked produce, raw milk, unpasteurized juice, contaminated water and meat, especially undercooked or raw hamburger.
Mankind stopped crapping in the fields a long time ago.

You might not want to eat the fresh leafy stuff or raw strawberries when you travel abroad.
25 posted on 09/16/2006 12:46:13 AM PDT by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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To: adamsjas
I'm sorry, but do you really think that I - and my neighbors, a bunch of Texas ranchers who have been making a living at ranching a farming for the last one hundred and fifty years - have "birkenstock beliefs" and need to learn about the chemistry of farming from you?

I really have to ask - do you garden, farm or ranch, like we do? Because manure is considered to be one of the BEST things for gardens, as long as it's not fresh and raw. I'm not trying to be combative, it's just that I'd love to know who told you that manure was "not good" for gardening. It sounds like something the liberals would say, because they believe anything that comes from those bad old methane-producing cows and their land-raping farmers is BAD. It's the kind of thing that obnoxious yuppies say (right after they move in next to their farming neighbors who have been there for a hundred years) right before they sue for damages from the "toxic waste" from the sheep flock in the neighbor's field...

It's not a "birkenstock" thing - it's a millions of years of farming and ranching thing. Have you all gotten so far away from farming that you no longer know how it was done just thirty years ago?

Wow, let me explain... it's not about "mankind crapping in the fields", it's about animals making fertilizer, and it has a LOT more in it than just nitrogen. Ammonia, salts, urea, and a host of other compounds are there, they're useful, and it's FREE. If manure is not used as fertilizer, it has to be hauled off. If used properly, as it has been for thousands of years, E Coli shouldn't be a problem in composted manure. The key is COMPOSTING - and once again, that's not some "hippie" thing, it' just what people in the country do with their leftover vegetable matter and animal manure.

The problems arise when RAW manure is used on vegetables, and that raw manure is considered to be inferior to composted manure by most gardeners. Not only is raw manure yucky to use, it's can also "burn" your garden if improperly applied.

And it's about more than animal fertilizers - it's about clovers and vetches and other cover crops. What I can do for my piece of land is WAY more than I could ever just pour out of a bag...

Yes, chemistry is our friend, and so is knowledge. Read "The American Farm Book" (1847) and learn more about both.

31 posted on 09/16/2006 1:12:14 AM PDT by dandelion
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To: adamsjas

As a point of history and theology, man was commanded by Moses to bury it, not grow crops with it.


61 posted on 09/16/2006 5:10:30 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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To: adamsjas

LOL, you're more militant than I am about "organic". You just have to look to who has pushed it to know that it is as much hype as global warming.


114 posted on 09/16/2006 7:48:17 AM PDT by tiki
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To: adamsjas
May I suggest you take a trip to the ROK? You might be amazed at is used as fertilizer.

I was there a long time ago, but I doubt a whole lot has changed in the rural areas.

161 posted on 09/16/2006 11:45:25 AM PDT by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: adamsjas
Mankind stopped crapping in the fields a long time ago.

Not in many parts of China!

180 posted on 09/16/2006 7:31:21 PM PDT by twntaipan (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than ride in Ted Kennedy's car.)
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