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Why Darwinism Is Doomed
WorldNetDaily ^ | 09/27/2006 | Jonathan Wells

Posted on 09/27/2006 9:56:09 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: PatrickHenry
This thread is an embarrassment to conservatism.

Now, if Darwinism had anything to do with conservatism, you might have a point.

221 posted on 09/27/2006 2:49:00 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: Theo
The issue here is not "evolution" – a broad term that can mean simply change within existing species (which no one doubts). The issue is Darwinism [snippage] Darwinism is absolutely not compatible with Scriptural Christianity.

Then "Darwinism" can't be the issue either, since it's only incompatible with Christianity (and/or theism in general) by the stipulative, gratuitous and utterly ahistorical definition contrived by the ID types.

Their definition of "Darwinism" has nothing to do with understanding of the term by self-described "Darwinists". It's exactly like stipulating that pro-lifers are, by definition, religious extremists. It completely ignores notable Darwinists like R.A. Fisher, Francisco Ayala, Ken Miller, Simon Conway Morris, etc, who were or are theists. In fact all the preceding are professing Christians specifically.

222 posted on 09/27/2006 2:51:24 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: stands2reason
It's called discrimination based on mental faculties.

So you claim you know Jonathan Wells metal faculties - how did you gain this knowledge? Have you ever met this man? Did you evaluate him? What is your Ph.D. in?

We all know you likely know absolutely nothing about his mental faculties - your statement is just poor cover for your bigoted statement

223 posted on 09/27/2006 2:51:52 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
They'll still be writing this story 100 years from now

100 years from now, our descendants will all be living in a North American caliphate, and this silly little debate won't be permitted.

224 posted on 09/27/2006 2:52:14 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: Coyoteman
It is a scientific field.

It's propaganda.

225 posted on 09/27/2006 2:53:38 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: My2Cents
100 years from now, our descendants will all be living in a North American caliphate, and this silly little debate won't be permitted.

Evolution certainly won't be taught. But at least we'll all be religious.

226 posted on 09/27/2006 2:54:21 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: stands2reason
It was not a plural, it was specific. Who was the remark in reference to?

What difference does it make if it was plural or not - I did not direct the comment at any person therefore it can not be a personal attack.

If I say "Watch out for the idiots" - is that a personal attack? ...only if you think you are an idiot.

227 posted on 09/27/2006 2:55:54 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
So you are saying if two groups of animals CAN reproduce but don't are considered different species - OK - what are groups that CAN'T reproduce called?

They're also separate species. I don't get your point. Whether they can't, or simply don't, or even if they do but hybrids are sterile, of if they do with sufficient rarity that population genotypes are unaffected, etc, whatever. In all these cases their populations are reproductively isolated.

228 posted on 09/27/2006 2:56:26 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: My2Cents

"Define 'Christianity.'"

St. Paul teaches us in Galatians that Christianity is the acceptance of the belief that Jesus was the Messiah, that he died for our sins, and, through the power of God, defeated death, thereby giving the promise of eternal life to all those who accept that gift.

In Romans and other letters, St. Paul instructs us not to bicker about the denominational details (which is basically anything more than the first paragraph).


229 posted on 09/27/2006 2:56:56 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: stands2reason
Exactly. Which is why the origin of life is not a part of ToE.

Yeap.

So why do Evo's enter cosmology debates?

230 posted on 09/27/2006 2:57:22 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Names Ash Housewares
"We know the stars are very far away and took a very long time for that light to reach us."

Um, we don't *know* that light took a 'very long time' to reach us.

We calculate that it did based on an *assumption* that the speed of light is unchanged over time. In some cases, we add that *assumption* to another *assumption* that redshift equals distance for even older age calculations.

This quite a different thing than 'knowing'.

231 posted on 09/27/2006 2:59:23 PM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: stands2reason
We are talking about species -- groups -- not individuals.

Well I am guessing you have not reproduced with Pussy Cat Dolls (a group) (even though you could) - me neither - we are a group - what do you want to call out species?

....jeeze, it's a joke - lighten up.

232 posted on 09/27/2006 3:01:46 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Well, of course Tiktaalik roseae is not a "missing" link. It's a FOUND link. It's an excellent and obvious transitional between fish and amphibians.
233 posted on 09/27/2006 3:04:18 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Last Visible Dog
I did not take anything out of context.
Yes you did. You cherry picked that sentence from a discussion I'm having with another...dishonest of you, to say the least.
234 posted on 09/27/2006 3:07:07 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99
Yes you did. You cherry picked that sentence from a discussion I'm having with another...dishonest of you, to say the least.

Enough of the unsupported accusations - can you explain what you think I took out of context rather than spew personal insults?

235 posted on 09/27/2006 3:10:32 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: MeanWestTexan

So porn is completely compatible with Chrisianity too? I think we need a more definitive answer, although I agree with you. Maybe the wrong question is being asked.

How about this, "define, based on what is in the Bible Christianities teaching about the origin of life."

And then this: "Does the Bible specifically say that types of living things were made "as is" or does it give 'wiggle room' for the idea that some species came from others?"


236 posted on 09/27/2006 3:12:04 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: SirLinksalot
"The truth is Darwinism is not a scientific theory, but a materialistic creation myth masquerading as science. It is first and foremost a weapon against religion – especially traditional Christianity."

Glory glory hallelujah
Glory glory hallelujah
Glory glory hallelujah
His farse goes marching on.

Mine eyes have seen the ramblings of a moron PhD
He was posted in the pages of the wing nut daily site
A real nut case and bozo he did surly turn out to be
A whack job sure is he

Glory glory hallelujah
Glory glory hallelujah
Glory glory hallelujah
His farse goes marching on.

from the institute where morons gather screachings were a heard
They were bothered by the judges and the first Amendment of
The Bill of Rights the Country was a founded on before
Their heads they did explode

Glory glory hallelujah
Glory glory hallelujah
Glory glory hallelujah
His farse goes marching on.

The evolution theory that the scientists did propose
Was backed by evidence so good the institute was formed
to whine and scream and throw the tantrums widely heard right know
It's BS through and through

Glory glory hallelujah
Glory glory hallelujah
Glory glory hallelujah
His BS flies right on.

237 posted on 09/27/2006 3:13:35 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: mugs99
Yes you did. You cherry picked that sentence from a discussion I'm having with another...dishonest of you, to say the least.

You are a real blow-hard. I went back to the post of which you claim I took you out of context - you are so full of it - I quoted the entire paragraph.

Lets review:

#160

mugs99: "I'm a Deist. We are agnostics. We believe that the question of God's existence isn't answerable. To answer the question of God's existence would require proof. Do you have that proof?"

LVD: "God by definition is a matter of faith - I think you are barking up the wrong tree"

If sure looks like you are the one being dishonest because I clearly did not take your statement out of context.

238 posted on 09/27/2006 3:16:49 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: spunkets
Glory glory hallelujah

Evo's take personal insults to a whole new level.

239 posted on 09/27/2006 3:18:36 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: spunkets
Glory glory hallelujah

Evo Strategy: if you can't intellectually challenge someone's positions - you can always spew personal insults (and they are so cute when you put them into a little song, like a preschooler)

240 posted on 09/27/2006 3:23:27 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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