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Europe Is Growing Skeptical Of Dialogue With Muslims (excellent article)
The NY Sun ^ | 10/6/2006 | YOUSSEF IBRAHIM

Posted on 10/06/2006 10:53:59 AM PDT by Dark Skies

After years of dithering over political correctness with Muslims and Islam, Europe is waking up to a different morning.

A three-week tour of Italy, France, and Britain last month was enough for me to conclude that Western Europeans have moved way beyond dialogue. Confrontation, indeed even provocation, is their preferred approach to the Muslims in their midst.

Long before Pope Benedict XVI's scathing comments in mid-September on the fallacy of phony Muslim-Christian dialogue, signs of hardening European views toward current Islamic values were plentiful on the Continent

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; europe; infiltration; islam; muslim; muslims; pope; terror; uk; wot
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The author also writes for the NYSlimes. I am not certain he is a muslim despite his name because, in addition to the non-muslim tone of the article, he didn't insert the usual "PB&J" thing when he mentioned Mo's name.
1 posted on 10/06/2006 10:53:59 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

For Western Europe, it's too late...just on demographics alone, it will become Islamic.

Just get the nukes out of England and France before it happens.


2 posted on 10/06/2006 10:57:03 AM PDT by fireman43
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To: Dark Skies

For Western Europe, it's too late...just on demographics alone, it will become Islamic.

Just get the nukes out of England and France before it happens.


3 posted on 10/06/2006 10:57:38 AM PDT by fireman43
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To: Dark Skies

He could have been talking to the rank and file Europeans.

Their leadership still seems to think they can strike a deal with Muslim fanatcis for a few more years of living like humans before being dragged down to the depths of Islamic rules.

Swedish and Swiss beauties are going to look funny in Burka's. No more Bikini's for the frog ladies.


4 posted on 10/06/2006 11:05:06 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Dark Skies

Imagine if 1/3 of our population were Quakers. or Amish. Would they still be free to act and dress the way they do? Amish is an excellent comparison because they foresake technology and would be death for the economy because of their rejection of materialism.


5 posted on 10/06/2006 11:06:35 AM PDT by kinghorse (I calls them like I sees them)
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To: Dark Skies
Why even confront them? 1. Immediately discontinue processing citizenship and greencard-like applications by those self-identifying as muslim

2. Discontinue benefits to muslim illegals

3. Deport muslim illegals

Sing their praises to the rafters and THROW THEM OUT.

6 posted on 10/06/2006 11:07:23 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: fireman43

England's Muslim percentage is 3%. Just like the USA's. Should we remove the nukes from America before the inevitable happens there too?


7 posted on 10/06/2006 11:07:35 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: sgtbono2002
I think Merkel gets it, and certainly Sarkozy (who I hope wins in France). And lately, Blair and crowd have made some unusual statements.

Plus just today I posted an article on Jack Straw and his dislike of burkas. I think Labour is trying to get back in the game and Straw and Reid are taking a much tought line against muslims. This is unusual for Straw because his constituency (Blackburn) is IIRC around 30% muslim. He might even lose his seat if he isn't careful.

8 posted on 10/06/2006 11:12:23 AM PDT by Dark Skies (Allah sez "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.")
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To: sgtbono2002
Swedish and Swiss beauties are going to look funny in Burka's. No more Bikini's for the frog ladies.

Note to broker:

Sell Gilette, Schick.

9 posted on 10/06/2006 11:13:05 AM PDT by Gorzaloon ("Illegal Immigrant": The Larval form of A Democrat.)
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To: fireman43

Nope, much of Europe will rise up in time, Germany, Poland, even Austria will make it. Italy and UK will make it, France is probably toast, we'll have to remove their nukes. Their nuke plants are a bigger problem, damn things are everywhere. Maybe just bomb em, open the cores to the atmosphere, make the areas uninhabitable, it will depend how much time we get and if ANOTHER european shooting war starts.


10 posted on 10/06/2006 11:13:34 AM PDT by east1234 (It's the borders stupid. It's also WWIV.)
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To: agere_contra

I hate to see good nukes gone to waste. Lets send that 3% back home and let them see them close up.


11 posted on 10/06/2006 11:15:13 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Dark Skies

bump


12 posted on 10/06/2006 11:15:18 AM PDT by VOA
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Lately, England has IMO been standing firmer than the U.S....or at least the U.K. has had to face a more vocal muslim community.

For example, John Reid has done an outstanding job when viewed from this side of the pond.

The only bad news was that issue of the muslim policemen being moved because he refused to protect the Israel Embassy (that was a small deal and will, I hope, be reversed shortly instead of setting a precedent).

13 posted on 10/06/2006 11:17:21 AM PDT by Dark Skies (Allah sez "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.")
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It's not too late, but in 20 years it will be. They need to send back guest workers and illegals, pass laws that prohibit Islamic practices like hijab and sharia, enforce those laws, proselytize in the Muslim community, expose Muhammad as a fraud and treat Islam as a menace to be defeated politically and intellectually, like communism and fascism.

Will Europeans have the stomach to defend their homeland? I doubt it. But they could if they wanted to. It would take Churchillian statesmanship.

14 posted on 10/06/2006 11:21:01 AM PDT by Defiant (Do you realize if the Star Wars creator's last name was Thomas, we would have Tom Skywalker?)
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To: Dark Skies

pb&j? lol!

I couldn't tell for sure either, although he did use the phrase "militant islam" at the end of the article. You know me. I'm one of those who refuses to qualify Islam with an adjective.

It was a good article, though. Whether he's a Muslim or not, he understands that something big is rising up against Islam.


15 posted on 10/06/2006 11:23:42 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: gaijin

We'll be sweeping forever unless we use a much wider brush.


16 posted on 10/06/2006 11:26:14 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Dark Skies
The dialogue is over. The time for action is closing in.

I have seen many posts on FR bemoaning the 'inevitable' Islamic takeover of Western Europe. I don't see it this way. The only inevitability I see is a violent confrontation with Islam, one which the Muslims will lose. Out of the ashes will emerge a more unified Europe with the clear understanding that Islam is not compatible with Western democracies, and immigration policies will reflect that obvious fact.

17 posted on 10/06/2006 11:27:28 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: gaijin

You don't think that your #2 and #3 aren't confrontation?


18 posted on 10/06/2006 11:27:31 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: kinghorse
Imagine if 1/3 of our population were Quakers. or Amish. Would they still be free to act and dress the way they do? Amish is an excellent comparison because they foresake technology and would be death for the economy because of their rejection of materialism.

I take your point, but don't you think it's a bit, well, tacky to be ripping on the Amish? Especially this week?

19 posted on 10/06/2006 11:28:03 AM PDT by ihatemyalarmclock (')
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To: Dark Skies
The premise of this article, leads one to believe that for all of our efforts at "making nice" with all Muslim nations, is a waste, and I completely concur..

Whenever you want to win a war, one goal that MUST be achieved is to destroy the belief of the enemy. The belief that they can prevail. The belief that their cause is just. The belief that sacrifice is meaningful, and the belief that there is a reward. To the Islamic nations, that belief centers on the rewards of death for being faithful to the cause. We should begin a systematic campaign to destroy that faith.

We should turn their mosques into pig farms, summarily execute those caught in acts of defiance of us, with pork encased bullets and bury them in pig skin. We must find out every tenet of their faith, and purposely dismantle it. If they believe Allah will protect them during Ramadan, attack them. If they believe that Allah blesses them with children, put hormones in the water supply so they cannot conceive. Find ALL of the curses that Allah brings on them for being infidels, and rain it on them ten fold. Kill all animals that are "clean" to eat, leave only an abundance of swine. Drop copies of porno mags and airline bottles of booze on city streets. Urinated and defecated on korans. Make toilet paper with koran verses. IOW debase and humiliate them at every turn.

When a terrorist blows himself up in hopes of killing and reaching heaven, kill all members of his family. Unless we are willing to do what is necessary to fight these people, we are reaping a whirlwind.

Offer them a chance to submit, or kill them. It is the one thing they understand.

The most important thing is, declare Islam to NOT be a religion, and deport those of that faith that are not citizens.

20 posted on 10/06/2006 11:29:07 AM PDT by jeremiah (Our military are not "fodder", but fathers and mothers and sons and daughters.)
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