This can explain Mr. Ahtisaari siding with radical Islamists against Christian Serbs. Not much has changed since WWII.
This could explain Mr. Ahtisaari siding with radical Islamists against Christian Serbs. Not much has changed since WWII.
As the author states, the irony is unbelievable.
Just when you think Serbian propaganda couldn't get any more stupid, the Serbs dig deep and, well, dig themselves deeper.
...Pony trekking or camping, Or just watching TV.
“Officials defended the plan to commemorate the SS men, saying it would be a gesture of remembrance
They were Finns after all.
Oh the horror, next thing you know he'll be wanting to carry a confederate battle flag and visiting Yasukuni,
all unpardonable offenses.
Finland's alliance with Germany during World War II was not motivated by any real support for Naziism among its people. It was a desire for retribution against the Russians. In 1939, the Russians launched an unprovoked invasion on Finland, known as The Winter War. The badly outnumbered Finnish military put up a brave fight and inflicted tremendous casualties, but could not withstand the far larger Russian army. A great deal of resentment was caused by this, so when Russia was attacked by Germany, Finland naturally agreed to help.
The story of one of these guys is quite the epic.
Google Lauri Tornii (Larry Alan Thorne)..
The simple fact is several Eastern European nations sided with the Nazis against Soviet Union.
Finland was attacked by the Soviet Union FIRST. The Finns had every reason to strike back any way they could. The US Army was more than happy to take one or more of theses SS trained Finns under their wing after the war. One of them ended up disappearing in Vietnam trying to save his AMERICAN soldiers.
If the USSR had invaded the USA in 1939-40 we would have joined the Nazis too. Being the neighbor of an invading communist colossus will make you do things you've never done before.
Finland has one of the most complicated WW2 histories.
From 1939-40 they fought, alone, against the Soviet Union (at least part of that time, the USSR and Nazis were allies).
There was an uneasy peace, for a time, during which Finland tried to get help from several countries (including the UK). Unfortunately, only the Nazis were willing to help. When the Soviet Union attacked Finland again in 1941, they ended up help from Germany.
Then, in 1944, Finland and the USSR signed a peace treaty. The Nazis saw it as a betrayal and attacked Finland.
Through all of this, it should be noted, Finland did not persecute its Jewish population. Indeed, the Finnish army included Jewish soldiers and had a field Synagogue. (Which sometimes resulted in German Nazi soldiers under the command of Jewish Finnish officers.) The country also took in a small number of Jewish refugees.
Finland essentially considered themselves to be fighting a separate war from WW2. If the USSR had left them alone, they probably would have remained neutral through the war.
This is a negative misleading article regarding Finland's relationship to Germany. Too understand Finland's relationship with Germany during WWII you have to put it in context of the Winter War.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
After Finland was attacked by Russia, Finland held out with without promised aid from Sweden and Great Britain. they then turned to Germany for assistance in defense from Russia. Espcially after the Russians launched a second massive attack in 1944. Germany then provided defensive weaponry to Finland after guaranteeing not to negototiate a cease fire with the Russians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Finland_during_World_War_II
Finland and Nazism
During the Continuation War (1941-1944) Finland was co-belligerent with Nazi Germany, and dependent on food, fuel and armament shipments from Germany. The country did, however, retain a democratic form of government. During the war Germany and Finland were united by a common enemy, the Soviet Union, yet Finland kept her army outside the German command structure despite numerous attempts to tie them tighter together.
Finnish Jews were not persecuted, and even among extremists of the Finnish Right they were highly tolerated, as many leaders of the movement came from the clergy. Of approximately 500 Jewish refugees, 8 were handed over to the Germans, a fact for which Finnish prime minister Paavo Lipponen issued an official apology in 2000. The field synagogue operated by the Finnish army was probably a unique phenomenon in Europe. (See external links for more information)
Approximately 2600-2800 prisoners of war were exchanged for 2100 Finnish prisoners of war with Germany. About 2000 of them joined the Wermacht, but among the rest there were about 500 political officers or politically dangerous persons, who most likely perished in concentration camps. Based on the a list of names, there were about 70 Jews among the extradicted, although they were not extradited based on nationality.
When the Finnish Army occupied Russian East Karelia 1941–1944 several concentration camps were set up for Russian civilians. The first camp was set up on 24 October 1941, in Petrozavodsk. Around 4,000 of the prisoners perished due to malnourishment, 90% of them during the spring and summer of 1942[1].
During World War II Finland was in many ways a unique case. It was the only country which fought against both sides of the conflict under the same leadership. It was the only European country which bordered the Soviet Union in 1939 and was still unoccupied in 1945. Of all the European countries fighting in World War II, only three European capitals were never occupied: Moscow, London and Helsinki. It was also a country which sided with Germany, but in which native Jews (and most refugees) were safe from persecution.
Do they (or you) think this is likely to make the world love the Serbs more? It's likely to have the opposite effect. I was watching television today and wondering why Serbs are so often the villains on TV dramas. Right now, I'm not wondering. That's an emotional reaction and most likely it will pass, but I don't think this sort of thing is good public relations for them.
I haven't seen any evidence Finnish SS members were involved in wartime atrocities and they certainly played their part in retaining Finland's independence. As such, they do not deserve to be forgotten.
Have you ever heard of the Russo-Finnish war of 39/40? If yes, then Finnish volunteers are no wonder, as well as the Balts after 1940 sovietization.
Did you know that Ahtisaari was first brought into the United Nations Organization by Kurt Waldheim, who fought for the Nazis in Yugoslavia?
Finland was NOT Nazi during WWII, but was caught between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, and trying to survive as an independent democratic nation. They did very well at that, all things considered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustaf_Emil_Mannerheim
As at least some Freepers know, I am a great admirer of the Finnish school of Luther research, and its efforts in uncovering the Orthodox roots of Lutheranism, and in dialogue between Lutherans and Orthodox. I also admire the WWII Finnish leader Mannerheim.
However, Martti Ahtisaari is a pipsqueak New World Order international-fascist front man, of the order of Javier Solana of Spain, James Rubin (US), Jamie Shea (UK) and the various UN/EU procurators of "Bosnia" and Kosovo. He in no way deserves to be associated with the noble Finns I mentioned above, but only with other NWO Eurotrash!
And poor Finland, despite its wonderful Lutheran and Orthodox heritage, is now just another post-Christian Euro country mainly known for its manufacture of mobile phones. It needs to recover its Christian faith, the sooner, the better. At least (unlike several other Euro countries further west) it does have people within its borders who (by the help of God) can help it with this recovery.
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I would go ahead and put up the memorial and tell the Jews to bugger off.
The Soviets invaded Finnland and the only folks who would help 'em were the Nazis. The allies wouldn't send them any aid 'cause the Swedes threated to join with the Germans (or something like that) and help them invade Norway. The Finns didn't really have any alternatives. The Finnish SS troops were fighing a brutal foe in defense of their homeland and have nothing to regret except their defeat and its consequences.
Put up the memorial.