Richard Dawkins Writes About Human Responsibility In Light of Darwinian Evolution

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[betty boop]

I thought you would have a thought on the matter. : )

Wasn't much of one.... :^)

Thanks, FreedomProtector!

[FreedomProtector]

.....will only incur the mockery and disdain of the enlightened scientific elite.

For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe..... For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. 1 Cor 1:19-21,25

[metmom]

I'm anxious to read the rest of this thread and see if any evols comment negatively about Dawkins attempt to blend his moral views with science.

Don't hold yer breath.

[RobRoy]

>>This guy is a piece of work. Now it was the *law* as given by Moses that set for the death penalty for specific law breaking. Christ said he came NOT to change one jot or tittle (Matthew 5:18) of the law that means the law is still in effect.

Yes I know that many Christians claim the *law* was fulfilled but they are wrong.<<

That is intereting, because the Matthew 5: 17,18 actually says, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

If these people are wrong, what do you suppose Jesus meant he was fulfilling?

[FreedomProtector]

If the purpose in life is to direct ones future evolution, and people are nothing more then intellectual animals, then
there is no difference to helping an elderly lady across the street, or running her over because she is "unfit".

Our conscience tells us otherwise, there are Laws are written on our conscience. Objective value, what makes a hero a hero, or a villian a villan, the laws written on our heart imply a Lawgiver.

[Just mythoughts]

Your translation does not quite capture what Christ said.

KJV.. Matthew 5:17 Think NOT that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am NOT come to destroy, but to fulfill.

So what laws were fulfilled in Christ coming?

18. For verily I say unto you. Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Do you know what it means that 'heaven and earth pass'?

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called last in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Now if you keep reading Christ says the law against 'murder' is still in effect, plus even added to be angry with a 'brother' without cause is danger of the judgment. Christ continues to list the law and what Christians are to do and not do.

His coming fulfilled the promise of a 'virgin shall conceive', etc. and his death fulfilled the requirement of a blood sacrifice for remission of 'sin' which is the transgression of law. Christ fulfill for one and all time that requirement of blood sacrifice, as he was the perfect sacrificial lamb.

Even after this in Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked Him a question, tempting Him, and saying,

36 "Master, which is the great commandment in the law?"

37 Jesus said unto him, "Thou shall love the LORD they God with all thy heart, and with all they soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment. (law)

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the LAW and the prophets.

Check out the Ten Commandments (LAW) and notice that the first five relate to the LOVING the LORD they God and the last five commandments relate to the loving thy neighbor.

Oh that one remember the Sabbath to keep it holy, well Sabbath means rest and Christ became our Sabbath, we are to rest in him every day not just one day of the week.

[RobRoy]

>>So what laws were fulfilled in Christ coming?<

He didn't say laws. He said law. For me, that means ALL of it.

[RobRoy]

>>Oh that one remember the Sabbath to keep it holy, well Sabbath means rest and Christ became our Sabbath, we are to rest in him every day not just one day of the week.<<

On that we agree 100%!

[Just mythoughts]

So you think the commandment against murder is no longer in effect? Or any of the rest of the commandments?

[RobRoy]

>>Your translation does not quite capture what Christ said.<<

I think you mean it does not quite capture exactly how the KJV translates the Greek. They are both close enough though. ;)

[RobRoy]

>>So you think the commandment against murder is no longer in effect? Or any of the rest of the commandments?<<

Far from it. Paul argues this much better than I can. Actually, Jesus made them even more difficult with his remarks about things like hating your brother (murder) and looking at a woman in lust (adultery). He clarified in those remarks just how valuable His sacrifice is, and just who needs it.

[Just mythoughts]

So if the law remains in effect and Paul does call it our school master and Christ says to say (teach) other wise is enough to make one last in the Kingdom of heaven, then what does fulfill mean?

[RobRoy]

"...then what does fulfill mean?"

It is a covenant thing. It is like making the last payment on a purchase agreement. It is fulfilled.

Heck, according to Dictionary.com:

1. to carry out, or bring to realization, as a prophecy or promise.
2. to perform or do, as duty; obey or follow, as commands.
3. to satisfy (requirements, obligations, etc.): a book that fulfills a long-felt need.
4. to bring to an end; finish or complete, as a period of time: He felt that life was over when one had fulfilled his threescore years and ten.

[Just mythoughts]

Are you not overlooking that Christ said he was not come to destroy the LAW or the PROPHETS??? The Prophets are the ones who did the penning of foretelling of His coming and Christ continually quotes the Prophets. He had much to say about Moses who is described as the LAW giver as well as a prophet.

[RobRoy]

NO.

[RobRoy]

I eat pork, if that's what you mean.

[eleni121]

Now I know what this scary fascist Dawkins is: a faulty unit! But I can't find any parts at Home Depot to fix him.

[.30Carbine]

I wish I had time to read this thread. I'm happy to see so many good FReepers on it! It is Richard Dawkins who says there is no such thing as evil, and he who came up with the idea of "memes" - that religious belief (but not the religious belief of atheism) is a 'virus' in the 'programing' of our brains. LOL. In this wicked flesh of mine I sometimes wish Jesus had not said we may not call anyone an idiot.

Related Link: Alister McGrath wants the world to know that Richard Dawkins is wrong: good science is not tantamount to atheism.

[Just mythoughts]

No I was not talking about eating pork.

I am still trying to wrap my mind around what you say Christ said versus what Christ said. The Prophets prophesied of His coming plus much more. (Zechariah 9:9 & 10 describe the first and second advent)

Paul said those things written about them was for our warning as to what would take place that would end this flesh age.

This word fulfill is fulfillment of prophecy and other than no longer were blood sacrifices required for remission of sins also referred to as ordinances the rest is still in effect.

I suppose I could quote Isaiah about what the Heavenly Father thinks about swine, maybe another time.

[MEGoody]

the laws written on our heart imply a Lawgiver.

I would agree. Few evols would.