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How inflated are newspaper circulation figures? (I have the answer)
Indianapolis Star bill/offer | October 24, 2006

Posted on 10/24/2006 9:58:50 AM PDT by Miss Marple

There has been much discussion about the circulation drops for major newspapers. The Indianapolis Star earlier this year started sending us a FREE Thursday paper with our Sunday subscription, even though we didn't request it.

This "conversion" as they called it (and remember, it wasn't voluntary and it is FREE) was cited in an earlier article as the reason they managed to eke out a 1% increase in their daily circulation.

Today I got my bill, which offers to give me an enitre YEAR of FREE daily papers with my "Sunday offer" (which is Sunday plus Thursday and all holidays).

This is what my statement says:

The Indianapolis Star would like to offer you the opportunity to upgrade to our 7-Day delivery package, at your current subscription rate. For the next year, if you maintain your Sunday subscription, we will deliver the 7 day package. If you would like to take advantage of this special 7-Day offer, check the upgrade box in the payment section below and return with your regular payment, today!


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: circulation; fraud; msm; msmdeathwatch; newspapers
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To: Miss Marple
I bet if I hold out I can get them to PAY ME to take the paper!

Marple, some things just ain't worth the money...

21 posted on 10/24/2006 10:15:27 AM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Miss Marple

my local papaer did this to me multiple times. the first time I bit. Sure! I'd like to pay for four days and get seven! the problem came when my subscription was renewed - they had automatically put me down for seven days - at full freight.

I called them to put me back on weekend service, adn had to argue the point.

about midway through my subscription, they sent me the same come-on. I declined and they kept sendign me mails, and cards, etc. trying to get me to upgrade. when they phoned me, I gave them the what-for. then I cancelled completely - if they can't understand plain language, then I didn't want to do business.


22 posted on 10/24/2006 10:16:16 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Miss Marple

newspaper circulation is tightly audited by an independent audit agency, the audit bureau of circulations. and they exist to protect the integrity of newspaper circulation for the advertisers.


23 posted on 10/24/2006 10:20:41 AM PDT by smonk
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To: Miss Marple
I wonder if I quit paying if they would still send me the paper?

Depends on when ABC (Audit Bureau of circulation) does their annual audit. If your local paper needs to keep their adv. rates up....you'll get your newspaper until the audit period is over wheather you want it or not.
24 posted on 10/24/2006 10:21:23 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: Miss Marple

Reminds me of how Time Warner stole control of AOL.


25 posted on 10/24/2006 10:21:57 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: Miss Marple
They can only make money if they can convincingly demonstrate to advertisers that a certain number of people subscribe to their daily paper.
26 posted on 10/24/2006 10:22:18 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: TET1968
Time Warner didn't "steal control" of AOL.

They bought the controlling stake in AOL quite legally in the open market.

27 posted on 10/24/2006 10:23:15 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Miss Marple
My local paper started a similar program going back maybe four years ago. The offer was this ... if you subscribed to the weekend edition they offered the rest of the week for the same price. Catch was, it was only a three month deal then they billed you full pop. Bottom line, after suspending week day delivery they would come back a few weeks later with the same deal. Went thru the cycle a few times ... now they just bill me for the weekend editions and deliver the paper all week.
28 posted on 10/24/2006 10:23:41 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: camle

I used to be a newspaper carrier. And I can confirm what lots of you have said, that they want to keep delivering even if you didn't pay; if you are a paid subscriber for weekends only or Sunday only, they also delivered weekday papers and it counted as a paid subscriber. Various promotions were done to attract new subscribers, and even if someone signed up for a low introductory offer price, it still counted in the circulation numbers to the bean counters downtown. They were less concerned with how much somebody paid than with total circulation of the papers.

And yes, there was pressure put on the carriers to sign up new accounts and keep existing ones. We did various things to do that, such as giving free extra weeks if you signed up for a year in advance and paid with Visa or Mastercard. It's an open secret in the newspaper business that circulation numbers are inflated.


29 posted on 10/24/2006 10:24:22 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Miss Marple

The Star has become unreadable pablum. For example, look at their editorial opinion on Julia Carson a week ago, wherein they described her interview with the editorial board as "rambling and disjointed", and then proceeded to endorse her. Their other endorsements are, like the Carson endorsement, calculated to be as inoffensive and uncontroversial as possible. And yet their boosterism behind Peterson's political agenda has been simply shameful. Ah, for the paper's pre-Gannett glory days...

For my money, the Indianapolis Business Journal is the local paper worth reading.


30 posted on 10/24/2006 10:26:14 AM PDT by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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To: Miss Marple
My mother in law, in her 90s,got a similar deal from the St.Pete Times here in Flori-DUH?....guess that's how they inflate their circ figures...Told them to STOP, she only wants Sunday....They don't hear well.....

And then again they are owned by a non-profit org that 'trains' newsfolks at their own 'university.'Libs ONLY allowed there....

31 posted on 10/24/2006 10:31:06 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: weef

I called the Houston Chronicle about the free papers, and demanded they be removed from my lawn or I would call the police and report it as litering my yard!!!!


32 posted on 10/24/2006 10:36:56 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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Sorry I have been missing...I got a phone call. It was a friend of mine who is a weekday/Sunday paid subsrciber (regular price). I told her about the offer, so she is going to call and tell them she wants this offer (which will cut her price in half). HA!

Now I am going to go back and respond to your replies.

33 posted on 10/24/2006 10:38:52 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Well, I am ging to refuse, because I don't want to have to walk out to the curb in the cold weather to bring it in!


34 posted on 10/24/2006 10:40:10 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Hydroshock
Most major papers these days are little more the ad sheets anyway.

The ads are the only reason I subscribe. Most Sundays I take the ads and coupons out and don't even read the paper.

35 posted on 10/24/2006 10:41:29 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Miss Marple

Send a copy of that statement to http://www.accessabc.com/, and ask them how kosher is this re paid circulation numbers.

The Dinosaur fishwraps have one corporate culture and this the Corporate Culture of lying. They lie to their subscribers and then lie to their advertisers re their number of paid subscribers.


36 posted on 10/24/2006 10:41:34 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Gaffer
Yes, they are desparate. That is why I wanted to point this offer out to folks here on FR.

And looky what we have found...LOTS of papers are doing this!

37 posted on 10/24/2006 10:42:42 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: camle

The amazing thing about this offer is that they will give me a whole year before they try their renewal scam.


38 posted on 10/24/2006 10:44:32 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: weef

Agreed - I stopped the Houston Comical years ago, and moved twice since then - and they still throw free papers on my new lawn - and/or a free paper when you order a pizza delivery...

Just a means of trying to inflate their circulation figures


39 posted on 10/24/2006 10:46:11 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: Miss Marple
It does tell me they are DESPERATE for subscribers!

IIRC, some of the newspapers (on the East Coast?) got into legal trouble
for false representation about their subscription numbers.
(giving a false high in order to lure advertizers I presume).

The sort of giveaway you've seen is a sign of real desperation.
40 posted on 10/24/2006 10:46:16 AM PDT by VOA
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