Posted on 10/25/2006 12:32:39 AM PDT by bruinbirdman
Keen as I am for the Jocks to stand on their own socialist feet without relying on the English tax-payer, I wouldn't hold your breath for independence.
There are 129 members of the Scottish parliament and only 25 of those are members of the SNP. The scots are pretty reluctant to vote SNP because they know it's going to hit them very hard in the pocket, which is the most sensitive part of a scotsman!
I suspect they will continue with their age-old routine of biting the hand that feeds them - they don't like the English but they are more than happy to receive $2000 per year from each and every English tax-payer to keep them in their socialist public over-spending heaven. . . . . :-)
You put it better than I.
The Scottish have fought alongside the English against Hitler and Napoleon.
However in today's tax-crushed England there will be a lot of dry eyes if they choose to "braveheart" their way out of the Union.
'A split between Scotland and England would bring down English income tax by 8p in the pound (that's the astounding net cost of Scotland, including all oil receipts).
If it brings English tax down by that much, it would drive Scottish taxes up by (I guess) 24p in the pound to maintain the current level of public services.'
Sounds like a good plan to me! :D
Add to that the fact that New Labour will lose a huge part of it's power base and majority at Westminster and you have a winner! Can we organise it for tomorrow? :D
Ahhhhhhhhh . . .
Welllllllll, in terms of all the Western, formerly Christian Nations . . .
NOT IF
--the Jihadi's have their way.
--the globalists have their way.
--satan has his way
--the hedonists have their way
--the socialists have their way
--the secular regressives have their way
. . .
To continue...when Queen Anne died, Parliament passed over James Stewart and offerred the throne to George, Elector of Hanover. George's mother was a granddaughter of James I. George couln't speak English, but London society preferred a sophisticated German continental over a kilt-wearing Scotsman (the English thought of and treated Highlanders much in the same way they thought of and treated Mohawks). This sparked outrage in the north as Scotland had always been ruled by a Scotsman (even Edward Plantaganet's puppet, John Baliol, was Scottish). James Stewart, aka "The Old Pretender", raised an army, marched on London, and almost won. His son, Charles Stewart (Bonnie Prince Charley or the Young Pretender) tried a second time and did not succeed. The ousting of the Stewarts began the Scottish migration to America where they became heavily involved in another, more famous rebellion against the English: the American Revolution.
'The Scottish have fought alongside the English against Hitler and Napoleon.'
They also fought alongside the French in what they call 'the auld alliance' in various attempts to destroy England. I've never met a frenchman who's ever heard of it mind, surprise, surprise!
The scots loved Britain when the empire filled their pockets, now we're a bit too right-wing for them and they want to plough their own left-wing furrow. Suits me.
"It finally time for all of us Scot to rise up and throw off the yoke of British oppresion and restore Bonnie Prince Charlie"
He's make an excellent monarch today, as much as he would have been as disaster as a monarch back in the day. After all, he's dead now, so he cannot do any harm as king.
'The ousting of the Stewarts began the Scottish migration to America where they became heavily involved in another, more famous rebellion against the English: the American Revolution.'
They were a large part of both sides of the conflict actually. Scots and Irish soldiers made up nearly a third of the total British Army in your uprising and have made up a significant proportion of the Army for centuries and still do today.
Why would the Scots want anything to do with royalty, especially the English Royal Family?
To continue...when Queen Anne died, Parliament passed over James Stewart and offerred the throne to George, Elector of Hanover. George's mother was a granddaughter of James I. George couln't speak English, but London society preferred a sophisticated German continental over a kilt-wearing Scotsman (the English thought of and treated Highlanders much in the same way they thought of and treated Mohawks). This sparked outrage in the north as Scotland had always been ruled by a Scotsman (even Edward Plantaganet's puppet, John Baliol, was Scottish). James Stewart, aka "The Old Pretender", raised an army, marched on London, and almost won. His son, Charles Stewart (Bonnie Prince Charley or the Young Pretender) tried a second time and did not succeed. The ousting of the Stewarts began the Scottish migration to America where they became heavily involved in another, more famous rebellion against the English: the American Revolution.
To explain: Parliment passed over James Stewart on the grounds patly that he was a catholic, but mostly because the stewart dynasty had been an unmitigated disaster that had plunged the country into a series of vicious civil wars. Worst of all, Charles II, in all other respects a pretty decent monarch, had sold us out to the FRENCH. You can do a lot of things and be forgiven, but that IS beyond what anyone in England can tolerate.
The myth of "Bonnie Prince Charlie" is well overblown. It wasnt London society that preferred George, it was all of British society, Scots most of all. The Kilt wearing Scotsman was born in Italy and had a Polish accent. The English didnt like the highlanders true, but lowland Scots positively hated them. The 45 rebellion failed primarily for one reason and one reason only: lack of popular support. People did not want the stewarts back. A majority of Scotsmen didnt want them back.
Scots had been migrating to America for years before the clearances. They were heavily involved in a more famous rebellion, but not against the English. It was the British. There were plenty of Scottish regiments in the British army and plenty of Scotsmen who fought for the crown.
British royal family.
Altho of English ancestry, I will mourn the loss of England, I hope the Scots and Irish have sense enough to break away from England, before they become over-run by moslims like Londistan.
'Altho of English ancestry, I will mourn the loss of England, I hope the Scots and Irish have sense enough to break away from England, before they become over-run by moslims like Londistan.'
I think you'll find the 55,260,000 people of white anglo-saxon celtic christian ethnicity out of the 60m population of the UK are quite able to look after themselves against the 1.7m muslims. Sadly the US situation is not so clear cut with around 72% ethnicity described as above versus 15m+ illegals and 7m muslims.
It may be true that the later efforts to regain the throne, after 1688, were supported mostly by Highlanders.
I hadn't thought of it that way. It is the British Isles, afterall. That would include all of Ireland, too?
yitbos
A company of nations. I can't see how this could matter. It's not as if Scotland was never a nation.
The point of the commentary was that the movement is well underway while the English sleep or could care less. Devolution was the first victory. Seems the nose is under the tent as the independence movement grows to the satisfaction of most.
yitbos
You are correct, the House of Stuart was not a shining example of peace and tranquility. Then again neither was the House of Tudor nor the last 100 years of the Plantaganets. Combining the religious conflicts between Catholics, Anglicans and Puritans with the growing power of Parliament at the expense of the Crown, it is hard to imagine that any dynasty would have faired much better.
It is also true that there were a great many Anglophiles in Scotland- especially south of the Firth of Forth. Many of the Scottish nationalist rebellions could also be characterized as civil wars between the Anglophiles and Anglophobes- much like the Carolinas during the American Revolution.
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