Posted on 10/25/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Blackirish
As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Rove’s 2006 campaign strategy.
(Excerpt) Read more at article.nationalreview.com ...
See, now you're posting smileys. :)
As for being damned dead wrong, of course I disagree.
The article from NR touches on the split between religious conservatives and secular conservatives in the Republican party. The flame war on this thread is not unrelated to that conflict.
I have read about Eschoir and his lawsuit. Before my time, sure. But so what?
The second RUDE, not to mention arrogant, pompous, and ridiculous thing, is YOU telling me what to do and what not to do.
And as far as "clueless" is concerned, even all of George Soros' money, combined with all of Bill Gates' money, isn't a large enough sum, to purchase the clues that YOU are without. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it; sweetums. :^)
Thank you.
And at this point in timed, faced with what we are facing, it is mordantly inconsequential.
At least you are aware of some FR history. That is a good thing, as far as it goes; it just doesn't go far enough. Apparently you don't understand what that was like, nor how it fits this discussion.
Welcome.
I'm not an old timer, but neither am I wet behind the ears. I don't post under false pretenses, or crash freeper funerals just to gain credibility among the posters here.
And FYI....I am an "old timer" and lurked almost a full year before I joined.
Well, ok. It's late, and I'm punchy. Maybe that's why we got off to a bad start. I am making less sense than usual, which could be bad as maybe I don't much to begin with.
I can sense your frustration about the crevo wars. I do think they might be at the cusp of the issue touched on by the article. Sometimes, I am a guilty party to them, other times I stay away. It is an issue that is dear to me, though. It may not figure highly into this upcoming election, or even in '08, but I feel it could become an issue in the future. I've long been an advocate of patching up relations between libertarians and Republicans, especially since 911. I've said before that religious and secular conservatives need each other, and I still believe that is true and will remain so.
FreeRepublic as far as I know, was founded as a conservative forum. It was NOT, to my mind, intended only for Christian Socialist nannystaters. Let lefties deal with social engineering through legislation. That ain't conservatism in my book.
BTW, conservatism also doesn't mean blindly worshipping the ground the Republicans or for that matter, President Bush, walk on, either. The GOP has shot itself in the foot in so many ways no orthopedic surgeon would touch them. Insanity is the definition of doing the same thing, repeatedly. On Iraq, on spending, on pandering to a small but vocal minority who think gays and evolution are a bigger threat to our way of life than nutjobs who want to chop our heads off or thug midgits with nukes, the GOP have turned stupidity into an art form.
My priority, and I think that of most people, including Freepers, is winning the damn war. All these other "Issues" are straw man arguments or diversions being put forth by politicians who know they aren't convincing people when it comes to the way they've (mis)handled the war in Iraq.
As for the crevo flame wars, they are asinine.
Sorry for the rant but I wanted to get that off my chest : )
I am not an educator, I am a (old) student. I would hope that I would handle it as my present archaeology professor did. He was going over the breaching of the straights of Gibralter, and the subsequent flooding of the Mediterranean, when a creationist blurted out that the flooding was caused by Noah's flood, not a change in sea level.
My professor handled it in stride. He discussed numerous flood myths, and even the lack of flood myths in areas (like China) which have undergone a tremendous amount of flooding over the years. He went into the time frame, and how there were several pre-flood civilizations that continued straight through the alleged flood. He then tied it into cultural archaeology, and how local legends and myths can help with the location of archaeological sites (as site survey was the topic that day).
It was a class act. Best I've seen. Nevertheless, that one disruptor cost me 1/2 hour of class time, in a class that I am paying $1,200 a semester for. I learned something though, so I guess it wasn't all bad. I doubt very seriously that that guy learned anything at all.
So, to answer your question, I would hope that I would be knowledgeable enough to handle it like my professor did. He didn't miss a beat. Totally a class act.
(pinging coyoteman because he is an archaeologist, and may enjoy the story)
I NEVER go on the crevo threads, because they are just as damned loopy and the internecine religious wars, in FR's religion section are and no, I don't go there either; unless a thread I'm on suddenly gets moved to that section.
If you are correct ( and I hope that you are not and I don't think that you are ) that at some future point in time, all of this crevo/evo garbage ( and yes, I do think of it as garbage! ) comes to some kind of a head within the GOP...SOON, then we are all doomed and the sky REALLY is falling!
N. Korea has set off a nuke and has a few more besides. Iran wants nukes. The IslamoNazis want a world wide Caliphate, the damned Dems want complete MRAXIST rule in America, and all some people here really, really, REALLY care about fighting over is creationism V. evolution. HOW STUPID! And no, this is NOT what it's like out in the real world; most people don't even think about this at all.
Please don't even go there ( Libertarians ) with me. Been in that fight and YOU don't want to take me on, re that topic. Please, let's just leave that one alone.
(see, I can do the font thing and shout like an a$$hole too, if I have to)
Do everybody a favor and GROW UP
That's what it is
True science has "Laws". Such as the law of gravity, ohms law, etc, etc.
And these laws are explained and put into a wider context with theories. The law of gravity is described by the theory of general relativity; Ohm's law is explained by the theory of electromagnetism, the atomic theory of matter, the quantum theory that describes how conductors and insulators work, etc.
Boyles' Law is a consequence of the atomic theory of matter and the kinetic theory of gases. The Ideal Gas Law goes further, and is not exact; but the theory explains it and accounts for the fact that it isn't ever exact.
Evolution is no different. The "Law of Faunal Succession" was an empirical observation made in the late 1700s - early 1800s. It describes the way that fossils are arranged in strata of rock, and how the more recent ones more closely resemble living plants and animals. Cuvier, Lamarck, Buffon, et al came up with theories of evolution to explain this law. The theory of Darwin and Wallace is the only one to withstand repeated tests.
It seems certain people want the "theory of evolution" changed to the "law of evolution".
See above.
Somehow I think some of these same people would throw a hissy fit should it be proposed that Einstein's "theory of relativity" be changed to the "law of relativity
Obviously. Einstein's theory is a theory. It is not a law. A theory is an explanatory framework. Laws are observed regularities.
Energy is necessary for life, not just evo.
... as evolution flies in the face of the second law of thermodynamics.
You really need to explain this in detail. What is the difference in entropy between an Earth with Eohippus, and an Earth with horses, donkeys, and zebras etc? How much energy came from the Sun in the meantime? What was the entropy involved?
Remember, entropy is a precisely-defined quantity; it's not a synonym for "disorder" the Second Law of Thermo is a differential equation.
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