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For a World of Woes, We Blame Cookie Monsters
NY Times ^ | October 29, 2006 | GINA KOLATA

Posted on 10/30/2006 11:10:27 PM PST by neverdem

FIRST we said they were ruining their health with their bad habit, and they should just quit.

Then we said they were repulsive and we didn’t want to be around them. Then we said they were costing us loads of money — maybe they should pay extra taxes. Other Americans, after all, do not share their dissolute ways.

Cigarette smokers? No, the obese.

Last week the list of ills attributable to obesity grew: fat people cause global warming.

This latest contribution to the obesity debate comes in an article by Sheldon H. Jacobson of the University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana and his doctoral student, Laura McLay. Their paper, published in the current issue of The Engineering Economist, calculates how much extra gasoline is used to transport Americans now that they have grown fatter. The answer, they said, is a billion gallons a year.

Their conclusion is in the same vein as a letter published last year in The American Journal of Public Health. Its authors, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, did a sort of back-of-the-envelope calculation of how much extra fuel airlines spend hauling around fatter Americans. The answer, they wrote, based on the extra 10 pounds the average American gained in the 1990’s, is 350 million gallons, which means an extra 3.8 million tons of carbon dioxide.

“People are out scouring the landscape for things that make obese people look bad,” said Kelly Brownell, director of the Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity at Yale.

And is that a bad thing? Dr. Jacobson doesn’t think so. “We felt that beyond public health, being overweight has many other socioeconomic implications,” he said, which was why he was drawn to calculating the gasoline costs of added weight.

The idea of using economic incentives to help people shed...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: globalwarming; health; obesity
Ron Barrett
1 posted on 10/30/2006 11:10:27 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Liberals are dumb as lampposts.

Mars is undergoing similar warming trends as Earth.

Is it the fault of NASA's manmade Mars Rovers?

MORONS!

Vote Republican!


2 posted on 10/30/2006 11:16:47 PM PST by Stallone ("Ridicule is the Best Test of Truth" - Earl of Shaftesbury)
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To: neverdem
350 million gallons, which means an extra 3.8 million tons of carbon dioxide.

So you get a ton of carbon dioxide out of 100 gallons?

3 posted on 10/30/2006 11:39:05 PM PST by Marak
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To: neverdem

Someone, somewhere, got paid for this?


4 posted on 10/31/2006 12:24:02 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: Marak
So you get a ton of carbon dioxide out of 100 gallons?

Alkanes (single-bonded hydrocarbons) produce more than their own weight in exhaust products when burned (the extra mass coming from the oxygen consumed in combustion).

Compound Mass in g/mol CO2 g/mol H2O g/mol
CH4 16 28 36
C2H6 30 56 54
C3H8 44 84 72
C4H10 58 112 90
C5H12 72 140 108
C6H14 86 168 126
C7H16 100 196 144
C8H18 114 224 162
C9H20 128 252 180
C10H22 142 280 198
Each additional carbon atom adds two hydrogen atoms as well, thus requiring an increase of 14 g/mol. The extra CO2 output is 28 g/mol, and the extra water output is 18 g/mol.
5 posted on 10/31/2006 12:59:32 AM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: neverdem

Another Gina Kolata Piña Colada, garçon...


6 posted on 10/31/2006 2:26:43 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: supercat

Thanks for the chart, but the question still remains.
I think gas is about 6 pounds per gallon. 100 gallons would be around 600 pounds. Do you really get a ton of carbon dioxide out of that? It just sounds high to me.


7 posted on 10/31/2006 2:36:55 AM PST by Marak
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To: Marak

Yep. 21.7 pounds of carbon dioxide per gallon of gasoline is what I got. Not believable to me.


8 posted on 10/31/2006 4:06:11 AM PST by libertylover (If it's good and decent, you can be sure the Democrat Party leaders are against it.)
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To: neverdem

I would assume that obese Americans die sooner than thin Americans and therefore ultimately use less of Mother Earth's resources.


9 posted on 10/31/2006 4:57:05 AM PST by jigsaw (God Bless Our Wonderful Troops!)
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To: neverdem
There's some real nonsense in this article.
One problem with blaming people for being fat, obesity researchers say, is that getting thin is not like quitting smoking. People struggle to stop smoking, but many, in the end, succeed. Obesity is different. It’s not that the obese don’t care. Instead, as science has shown over and over, they have limited personal control over their weight. Genes play a significant role, the science says.
There are an awful lot of fat children of normal-weight parents out there. Genes, my eye; even if genes provide disposition, a tendency, genes are not destiny. Weight gain and retention is a matter of simple, grade-school mathematics.

For every human, there is a sustaining caloric value that will hold him or her at today's weight. You must either eat less or work (exercise) more to lose weight. If you eat more and exercise less, you will gain weight. What your metabolism influences is not whether this equation works, but what your sustaining value is. Physics is physics and chemistry is chemistry, whether it's happening in the bloodstream and GI tract of a triathlete, a starving North Korean, or one of the tragic 400-lb blivets I see waddling around here.

There are rare people that have unusual medical conditions that render them unable to control their weight, but their numbers are in the single digits per million and there are probably no more than 10,000 such persons in North America. Whereas, there are over 50 million people in North America who are physcially overweight (including me, but the physics works on me quite demonstrably).

That is not a popular message, Dr. Brownell says.

It deserves to be unpopular. It's bull puckey.

And the notion that anyone can be thin with a little effort has consequences. “Once weight is due to a personal failing, a lot of things follow,” he said. There’s the attitude that if you are fat, you deserve to be stigmatized. Maybe it will motivate you to lose weight....Dr. Brownell and his colleagues studied more than 3,000 fat people, asking them about their experiences of stigmatization and discrimination and how they responded... they ate more.

Unless someone is strapping these people down on a gurney and pouring Joe Weider's Weight Gain Formula into them, they are responsible for their own body weight. Most everyone I know who complains about his or her "metabolism" does it while wolfing down 5,000 or more calories a day.

Criminal Number 18F's wallet-size guide to dieting:

  1. Find your sustaining value

  2. Eat 1,000 cal/day less, on a balanced diet.

  3. If you are very overweight and gaining (one of those 7,500 calorie cookie monsters) you may need to spend a month eating JUST your sustaining value). THEN go to -1,000.

  4. Add a 45-minute walk to your day.

  5. You will lose one to two pounds every week, sustainably and healthily. At first, weight will drop more dramatically, but it will stabilize at 1-2 per week.

  6. You will get material health benefits from the first 10-15 lb you take off. It will extend your lifespan, reduce your risk of heart attack, reduce your blood pressure, lower your resting pulse, and reduce your risk of diabetes. Diabetes is not just a leading cause of death, it's THE leading cause of amputations and blindness. Wanna be blind? No? TRIM DOWN! Your family will have years more to enjoy you.

This kind of article just promotes the militant anti-intellectual attitude that I've seen among some fat people. It's typical MSM science writing, written by a reporter who does NOT understand science (Gina Kolata is a former TV bimbo -- she doesn't do "deep").

Look, some people can carry heavy weight and look good. But if you look good at 200 you'll probably look better at 150. Or less.

A few extra pounds over the BMI guidelines are one thing. "A few" is less than 20, though, and I see LOTS of people that are over 100 lbs overweight. Most of them think they're healthy. They're not, and they'll die young (and often wracked with painful, preventable diseases), leaving heartbroken families behind.

Obesity kills more people than the jihadis' wettest wet dreams. It's harder to fight, it's insidious 'cause it creeps up on you. Don't let it kill you, or someone you love.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

10 posted on 10/31/2006 8:49:18 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F (Build more lampposts... we've got plenty of traitors.)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Add a 45-minute walk to your day.

But that's the kicker. To quote or paraphrase of one my best friends, who works on or about the George Washington Bridge and other Port Authority facilities like a monkey with its maintenance crew, "What the easiest thing for anyone to give up? Exercise!"

Doing the exercise requires the commitment of a new religious conversion.

Otherwise, by eating less calories, a body just gets a new "set point" for homeostasis, i.e. it will adjust itself to a decreased caloric intake to maintain its weight.

Without exercise, a body doesn't lose weight until it's actually starving.

11 posted on 10/31/2006 11:48:05 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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12 posted on 10/31/2006 4:36:33 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
Otherwise, by eating less calories, a body just gets a new "set point" for homeostasis, i.e. it will adjust itself to a decreased caloric intake to maintain its weight.

I disagree; you will lose weight, typical adult male with a sedentary lifestyle, on a balanced diet of 2,000 calories. I do agree you will lose weight more quickly when the exercise if factored in. However, the health benefits of the exercise may be superior to those of the weight loss. Most studies do a feeble job of establishing truly independent variables, and we know less than we think about the interplay of all of them.

Very interesting articles on health and caloric restriction in both the Times and the WSJ today. Actually there are several interesting articles on several subjects in the Times, a situation I have not noticed in a very long time. I can't remember where I got this Skeptical Inquirer article from (maybe it was in this thread, in which case I'm a schmuck for posting it again!) but it was interesting also. About a year old.

If a walk around the block takes too much time, think of all the time one loses by dying of a heart attack at 46 like one friend of mine.

I think I'm on your science pinglist. If not, please add me. Thank you kindly.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

13 posted on 10/31/2006 7:18:46 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F (Build more lampposts... we've got plenty of traitors.)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

Added. Thanks for the link. I read a number of stories somewhere recently that reduced calorie diets without exercise only results in reduced metabolic rates. The fat wants to remain as part of an inborn survival mechanism. Only physical stress, either starvation or exercise, will mobilize your fat stores.


14 posted on 10/31/2006 9:03:09 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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