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The Iraq War Is a Cake-Walk
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Posted on 11/02/2006 8:26:18 AM PST by Dominic Harr

In a month of fighting on Iwo Jima, we had over 6,000 dead, 25,000 wounded.

And that was a victory.

And now, many Americans consider 2,500 dead/20,000 wounded over several years to be a loss!?

The only hope for victory the enemy has is American public opinion. We've won all the battles. We kill more of them than they kill of us. We hold most of the territory.

Yet I even see Rs calling this a 'failed' war, and suggesting we can't win.


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KEYWORDS: deathbyhanging; iraq; killalqaeda; killhamas; killhezbollah; killmoreterrorists
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To: rlmorel
And, I can guarantee you, every single veteran, without exception, would disagree with you on the characterization.

:-)

Did you read the post I started this thread with? I don't believe Veterans would disagree with what I stated.

I know you think you understand what you thought I said. But what you heard is not what I said. Go back and read what I actually said.

141 posted on 11/02/2006 10:00:32 AM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: drungus
And you think that they will answer, "Why yes, I did have it easy"?

I *know* most would answer, "wow, compared to charging the German trenches in Verdun, I have it easy".

Well, the ones who know anything about Verdun, anyway.

142 posted on 11/02/2006 10:01:48 AM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Dominic Harr
Only if the PC media has won, and we're embarrassed to admit we're winning a war big.

I'm about as un-politically correct as you can get and I still think the title is bad. Making valid points doesn't get you anywhere when you choose a title that just doesn't work. Even with the casualty numbers much lower than WWII it doesn't change the fact that our troops are tired and war is hell. When you approach those fighting or the families of those fighting and use terms such as "Cake Walk", you are in danger of getting a good cyber smack to the snout.

I do very much agree that Americans should go over the numbers from previous wars and count our lucky stars. Americans should also be aware that fighting a PC war is actually costing lives.

I bet if you walked up to a family with loved ones deployed during WWII and said that compared to the great war this is a cake walk you could have walked away with a shiner.

143 posted on 11/02/2006 10:02:16 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: atlaw
Right now, on the ground in Iraq, who's the enemy?

That is the main trick here in this war.

It's an interesting, dangerous problem. But militarily, it never once threatens a 'victory' on the battlefield.

Compared to "how do we take this island with 20,000 dug-in Japanese", tis a better problem to have.

144 posted on 11/02/2006 10:03:53 AM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Stone Mountain

Both are on a yearly basis


145 posted on 11/02/2006 10:05:01 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: NYleatherneck

roger that...meet me at the VFW...


146 posted on 11/02/2006 10:05:05 AM PST by nicko (CW3 (ret.) CPT, you need to just unass the AO; I know what I'm doing- Major, you're on your own.)
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To: Dominic Harr

I haven't read through the entire thread but I read enough to know that the title you chose caused more comments to be negative than the body of your post. If the title had read, "The Iraq War is a Cake-Walk COMPARED TO...", you probably wouldn't have gotten so many negative responses.

I looked past the title and read the body of what you posted. After reading the body, I knew what you meant in your title, and that you were not saying that our military men and women in Iraq were on a "calk walk". Just that it's a "cake-walk" compared to past wars. And that sir, is historically true. I'm confident that in the context of what your point is, our son, who served in Iraq, would agree with you. His great-uncle was killed in WWII on Iwo Jima. Time, history and perspective are assets.


147 posted on 11/02/2006 10:06:46 AM PST by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: Dominic Harr

You think your point is clear, and you then go on to disparage those who point out that your "attention getter" does not help the point you make.

Only liberals have the license to use words and make them mean whatever they want them to mean.

Conservatives, and most Freepers, understand that words have meaning, and if you make a point you wish people to take seriously, you need to be able to back up your words with logic.

You have used a phrase "Cake Walk" and decided that you are the arbiter of the meaning of that phrase. The fact is, utility, history and usage of the phrase are not on your side.

Some people who probably HAVE the right to tell you how wrong you are have been exceedingly civil in their comments to you, and you disparage them.

That says a lot more about you than it does about them.


148 posted on 11/02/2006 10:06:47 AM PST by rlmorel (The US Media...Where you get Million Dollar Words From people with a Ten Cent Fart for a brain.)
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To: armymarinemom
I bet if you walked up to a family with loved ones deployed during WWII and said that compared to the great war this is a cake walk you could have walked away with a shiner.

You would be very wrong.

On 1/2 a dozen occasions I have said, "It's tragic your son died over there, but he's a hero. We're winning this thing in a cake-walk. The enemy never once even threatens to win, militarily."

That's my point -- you folks have somehow lost sight of the reality. Victory, winning in a cake-walk, is a *good* thing, not insulting.

149 posted on 11/02/2006 10:06:56 AM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Dominic Harr

Just to be clear, most of the soldiers you know "sitting in a Vet hospital with no arms and legs pissing out of a tube" would answer your question, "wow, compared to charging the German trenches in Verdun, I have it easy"?


150 posted on 11/02/2006 10:08:03 AM PST by drungus
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To: Chena
I haven't read through the entire thread but I read enough to know that the title you chose caused more comments to be negative than the body of your post.

Right -- I like that.

The title got folks to come in and discuss. Then when they got just a bit into the debate, or perhaps when they went back and took a moment to read what was actually said, they realized they were wrong.

I want this discussed, all over the place. This has achieved that.

151 posted on 11/02/2006 10:09:04 AM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: rlmorel
You think your point is clear, and you then go on to disparage those who point out that your "attention getter" does not help the point you make.

I was clear in my first post what I meant.

I'm "disparaging" the folks who read a headline and jump to conclusions without ever reading the actual article. :-)

That's a knee-jerk 'Rosanne Rosannadana' moment.

I said what I meant, and I meant what I said.

But there's a tendency online for folks to comment without listening. And that creates thread bumps.

152 posted on 11/02/2006 10:11:31 AM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Dominic Harr

Yes, I read your entire post before I posted initially.

Then I read every single response before I posted initially.

Then I said I agree with the sentiment of your post, saying that as I politely tried to help you see why people are taking issue with it.

Then you call me "Politically Correct", which given the content of my post, it is clearly not.

You do more damage to your point with flawed rhetoric. That is a clear sign of a poor communicator.


153 posted on 11/02/2006 10:12:31 AM PST by rlmorel (The US Media...Where you get Million Dollar Words From people with a Ten Cent Fart for a brain.)
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To: drungus
Just to be clear, most of the soldiers you know "sitting in a Vet hospital with no arms and legs pissing out of a tube" would answer your question, "wow, compared to charging the German trenches in Verdun, I have it easy"?

Gee, that's not what I said at all.

Just to be clear, I believe that soldier would likely say, "patrolling Fallujah where I got hit by an IED, we had it much easier than the soldiers who had to charge the trenches in Verdun. But it still sucks, war is hell."

154 posted on 11/02/2006 10:13:46 AM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: 2banana
Both are on a yearly basis

No they aren't. From your own statistic: If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theatre of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2,112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.

so... 2112 deaths/22 months = 96 deaths per 160,000 soldiers PER MONTH. This is equivalent to about 60 deaths per 100,000 soldiers --> That means that the firearm death rate quoted (and I'm not sure all of these were from firearms anyway, but even if they were) is 60 per 100,000 soldiers PER MONTH. How else can one read the statistic you provided?

155 posted on 11/02/2006 10:15:12 AM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Dominic Harr

I did read your post in it's entirety before I posted.


156 posted on 11/02/2006 10:15:39 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: jonrick46

"Has anyone wondered why information about the enemy body count is non existent?"

Read a book "Highway to Hell" by a former member of the SAS working as a private military contractor: said over 53000. (Thoroughly enjoyed the book btw)

"then you draw them in like a trap to their destruction."

He said the same thing - his own personal theory.


157 posted on 11/02/2006 10:15:48 AM PST by Mac1
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To: Chena
"...The Iraq War is a Cake-Walk COMPARED TO...", you probably wouldn't have gotten so many negative responses.."

Ya think? He posted this vanity as if it were something that had not occurred to the majority of people who follow current events and post on FR, and did it poorly.

158 posted on 11/02/2006 10:15:52 AM PST by rlmorel (The US Media...Where you get Million Dollar Words From people with a Ten Cent Fart for a brain.)
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To: bwteim; Dominic Harr

Well said, bwteim! The flaming of Dominic Harr is quite uncalled for.


159 posted on 11/02/2006 10:16:27 AM PST by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: rlmorel
You do more damage to your point with flawed rhetoric.

:-)

Actually, I gained this thread some traffic with the proper rhetoric.

Had this been just another post, "we're winning in Iraq", it would have been ignored. Instead, I put a teaser up as a title which I fully explained in the post.

People who don't read posts came in here with knee-jerk reactions and had to then debate my point.

This technique is very successful, trust me on this.

160 posted on 11/02/2006 10:16:30 AM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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