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Western Civ 101: Pope Benedict's Seminar on Fundamentals.
Wall Street Journal ^ | 12/1/06 | Daniel Henninger

Posted on 12/01/2006 6:11:01 AM PST by marshmallow

It is somehow appropriate that amid the confusions of the U.S. involvement with the sectarians of Iraq, Pope Benedict XVI, fresh from his own "engagement" with contemporary Islam at Regensburg, should come to Turkey, which has sought membership in the European Union for 20 years. The theologian Michael Novak said recently of Benedict, "His role is to represent Western civilization." I'd say Benedict is more than up to the task. What remains to discover is whether Western civilization is still up to it.

We have been in this spot before, and won.

When Stalin famously asked how many divisions the pope had, he assumed that the brute force of military power would be everywhere decisive. That belief led to a four-decade standoff between the Soviets' tank armies and NATO. Finally in the 1980s, John Paul II, the Polish pope, gave intellectual hope and heft to anticommunist dissidents. Ronald Reagan and his allies prevailed over Europe's marching pacifists and installed Pershing missile batteries in Europe. By decade's end, the long Cold War with communism was dissipating. The pope's engagement mattered.

One may assume that in some Himalayan redoubt, history's latest homicidal utopians, Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, believe that coupling their ideology to Islamic suicide bombers--in New York, London or Baghdad--is more than a match for the will of a morally diminished West. Are they wrong?

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1 posted on 12/01/2006 6:11:03 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

The pope needs to hold frequent seminars to cut throught the ignorance of the islamic religion


2 posted on 12/01/2006 6:26:00 AM PST by KingArthur305
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To: marshmallow

Benedict is going to do to relativism what John Paul II did to communism.


3 posted on 12/01/2006 6:30:19 AM PST by agite rem mente
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To: marshmallow
It would be well, if all these ignorant pundits would take some time to actually look at the message in the Pope's historical reference instead of jumping into talking about Stalin and Hitler. Some call our fight against terrorism a long war, and then say something like a generation. Emanuel II uttered his assessment at the end of the long war Byzantium fought against Muslim aggression. That long war lasted 700 years. Three hundred years before Byzantium sought help from Popes who organized crusades who helped stave off defeat but then quit.

They stayed with it for 300 years and we are impatient after only three. After conquest, everybody was converted. I think the whole story tells us a lot about what we are up against. Furthermore, I think it should make us wary of efforts to conquer us from within. You can see how far along that subversion is by noting that the two defensive atten\mpts of the past are routinely thrown out as dirty words, ie. crusade, inquisition.

4 posted on 12/01/2006 6:31:25 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: agite rem mente

May it be so!


5 posted on 12/01/2006 8:17:50 AM PST by karnage
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To: ClaireSolt
The later popes didn't give up on trying to save the East from Muslim conquest--Pope Eugenius IV made an attempt to reunite the Greek and Latin churches in 1439, and Pope Pius II (1458-1464) "tirelessly but vainly attempted to gain European support for a crusade against the Turks, who had so recently (1453) conquered Constantinople..." (J. R. Hale in A Concise Encyclopedia of the Italian Renaissance).
6 posted on 12/01/2006 9:05:21 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: marshmallow
I think the pope is right that the West is engaged in a decisive intellectual competition with the ideas of radical Islam. This won't end with the battle for Baghdad. Will scientific agnosticism defend the West against militant Islam? With what? In Europe, its intellectuals can barely mount an argued defense against internal threats. Externally, as in Afghanistan, they won't even fight.

The Libs of Europe and the USA ultimately have nothing to live for except their own hedonistic pleasures. Liberty is not a high virtue for them except for their own personal pleasure. They are selfish and willing to appease as long as it gives them more time to indulge themselves.

Their philosphical base of no absolute truths also cannot give them a reason to fight a long battle against Islam. The Libs will fight long and hard against Christianity because it is seen as an immediate threat to them, but the Islamic threat doesn't seem too urgent to them. We all will pay the consequences for their ignorance.

7 posted on 12/01/2006 12:16:56 PM PST by DeweyCA
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To: agite rem mente
Benedict is going to do to relativism what John Paul II did to communism.

That's going to be a longer battle, a battle which began over 600 years ago with William of Ockham.

8 posted on 12/01/2006 12:26:29 PM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: DeweyCA
Their philosphical base of no absolute truths also cannot give them a reason to fight a long battle against Islam. The Libs will fight long and hard against Christianity because it is seen as an immediate threat to them

Great insight.

9 posted on 12/01/2006 12:28:30 PM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Verginius Rufus

You must really be a joy to know! Enjoy your encyclopedia browsing and miss the point every time.


10 posted on 12/01/2006 12:39:16 PM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: marshmallow

thanks, bfl


11 posted on 12/01/2006 10:53:35 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: marshmallow

Bookmark


12 posted on 12/02/2006 12:03:58 AM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for president Bush-pray for our military-pray for our congress-pray for our nation)
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To: ClaireSolt
You can see how far along that subversion is by noting that the two defensive atten\mpts of the past are routinely thrown out as dirty words, ie. crusade, inquisition.

When we have been cut off from our own history, and therefore our own roots; when we allow our enemies to dictate not only the language and terms used in discussion, but which items are presented; when our enemies are allowed to lie with impunity and yet reproach us with unfaithfulness--what else is to be expected.

We need to recapture the language first, as Orwell noted.

Cheers!

13 posted on 12/02/2006 9:38:41 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Aquinasfan
Bookmarked your link to the Catholic encyclopedia.

As for your tagline, try this:

Sola scriptura is the teaching of men. ;-)

Cheers!

14 posted on 12/02/2006 9:40:41 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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Well. I put in my time in the trenches as a history teacher and professor, but I haven't been able to figure out how the crusades became a nasty no no in popular parlance. That certainly is not in the professional literature, at all. Must be from having the English teachers and activists doing multiculturalism based on myths they dreamed up.


15 posted on 12/03/2006 4:58:59 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: ClaireSolt
I haven't been able to figure out how the crusades became a nasty no no in popular parlance.

I think it was that the sack of Jerusalem made such a convenient straw man for liberals.

That reminds me, if we're not supposed to regard the founding fathers because they're all "dead white men"; and if Thomas Jefferson is to be excoriated because he had slaves and used one of them as a mistress; why is it then that we should all kowtow to the mythical "separation of Church and State" when that phrase was coined by Jefferson? (...and in a private letter, which embraces "original intent"; and Jefferson wrote the Declaration, not the Constitution.)

Cheers!

16 posted on 12/03/2006 6:24:12 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

You are giving into them when you say that. I know they killed everyone and took over, but that was the way they did things then. (Wouldn't we have saved ourself a lot of trouble if we had done that in Iraq?) The Western view is that the crusader states held off the Muslim aggression for 300 years. A Domino theory, as it were.


17 posted on 12/03/2006 7:20:14 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: ClaireSolt
You are giving into them when you say that. I know they killed everyone and took over, but that was the way they did things then. (Wouldn't we have saved ourself a lot of trouble if we had done that in Iraq?) The Western view is that the crusader states held off the Muslim aggression for 300 years. A Domino theory, as it were.

I didn't mean to give that impression. I did not mean to imply the liberals' views were valid, merely that the sack of Rome was the driver (or at least the ostensible reason) for their rejecting the crusades.

And don't forget the battle of Lepanto, when the Muslims nearly overran Vienna (!!!) took place *after* The Mayflower...

Hilaire Belloc has written a very good book on the Crusades, BTW.

Cheers!

18 posted on 12/03/2006 7:26:41 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

So have I. LOL


19 posted on 12/03/2006 11:11:43 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: ClaireSolt
Why LOL? I saw on your homepage that you were a retired historian; so I wondered if you had read his work.

Would you mind giving me the title or the ISBN for your book?
...if you don't want to, due to privacy concerns, never mind. :-)

Cheers!

20 posted on 12/03/2006 11:35:19 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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