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A loan that'll get ugly fast (LA Times)
LA Times ^ | Dec 11 2006 | David Streitfeld

Posted on 12/11/2006 8:58:01 AM PST by Doghouse Riley

EVERY day, Will Hertzberg owns a little less of his three-bedroom house in Corona. Like hundreds of thousands of other homeowners around the state, Hertzberg has a mortgage that lets him choose how much he pays each month. Like many of them, he always chooses to pay as little as possible.....But his debt is swelling, and his mortgage company controls his fate.

"I am rather screwed," he said.

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Hertzberg bought his house 11 years ago for $129,995..... Comparable homes in his neighborhood fetch more than $400,000...... Over the years he has taken out $190,000 in cash through refinancings......Hertzberg's home equity paid off his credit cards, financed trips around the world that allowed him to indulge his passion for photography, bought a $32,000 Toyota Avalon and enabled some lousy investments. "Free money always has the unfortunate effect of making people go overboard," said Hertzberg, whose living room is strewn with financial publications including American Cash Flow Journal and Donald Trump's "How to Get Rich." "You'd be surprised how fast $190,000 can go."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bubble; housing; housingbubble; realestate; schadenfreude
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To: Publius Valerius
You can get apartments for below 2,500. 5,000 you can be just about anywhere you want in San Diego for rent, except some very exclusive areas.

I saw a two-brm condo Friday in Ocean Baech. View of the waves crashing into the rocks. $595,000. The fourth floor was $1.2 mill. If you buy the $595 and take a five-year fixed at 1.95%, you're on the ocean for relatively low cost and far below $5,000 per month.

41 posted on 12/11/2006 10:05:06 AM PST by carolinalivin
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To: Hydroshock
"It is a vital, and valuable family asset (you will have to pay to live somewhere)..."

Asset...wrong!!! A liability, never an asset.

Homes are only assets when others are living in them and paying YOU rent or lease...

42 posted on 12/11/2006 10:07:54 AM PST by 100-Fold_Return (MONEY Cometh To Me NOW)
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To: finnman69

pay option loans aren't always that bad of an idea if you pay them right. i got a much lower interest rate to go with the pay option.. i just don't pay the lowest amount.
however, if something came up (job loss, injury, wife overspends for Christmas, etc) and i couldn't afford to pay the normal amount, i have the option of paying significantly less until i'm caught back up.


43 posted on 12/11/2006 10:07:55 AM PST by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders - don't re-elect them.)
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To: Always Right
The guy still has about $100K of equity in his house. He has nothing until he sells the house. What he does have is a huge outstanding debt he can't apy.

Many people today are thinking as if the house value is what they set the price or what comps used to go for. The value of the house is what someone is willing to pay for your hosue when you sell it. Until then it's just paper gains or losses.

44 posted on 12/11/2006 10:09:36 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Publius Valerius

Good grief! Maybe he wanted to live in a new highrise in the heart of the downtown. Two bedrooms in decent neighborhoods are in the 12 to 1400 range in most of San Diego. Out in the 'burbs, they're around a grand.


45 posted on 12/11/2006 10:10:58 AM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: finnman69
Many people today are thinking as if the house value is what they set the price or what comps used to go for. The value of the house is what someone is willing to pay for your hosue when you sell it. Until then it's just paper gains or losses.

As is any investment. The disadvantage is Housing is not as liquid as most investments. The question is why doesn't he have his house on the market right now if he can no longer afford the payments.

46 posted on 12/11/2006 10:13:22 AM PST by Always Right
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To: carolinalivin
If you buy the $595 and take a five-year fixed at 1.95%,

This is just what I mean, though. What happens when five years are up and the interest rate re-adjusts? Suddenly, your payment doubles and what seemed like an awesome idea five years ago is looking pretty nasty.

ARMs allow people to buy big, fancy houses, but the inescapable problem is that they are buying more house than they can afford.

47 posted on 12/11/2006 10:13:38 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: Always Right

Cleverness does not equate with wisdom. While having a good time he forgot what is important in favor of what was urgent. Biggest. Moron. Ever.


48 posted on 12/11/2006 10:14:24 AM PST by steve8714 (Isn't Israel a sovereign nation?)
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To: Doghouse Riley
Hertzberg always looks at these fliers, hopeful in spite of himself. "I'm waiting for a 100-year loan," he said. "My heirs can worry about paying it off."

What a punk. Maybe a little less world travel and Toyota Avalon-buying, and a little more self-restraint would have been advisable.

49 posted on 12/11/2006 10:14:40 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (The ZW radiation will not allow it. We'll both be killed that way. The medal must not be destroyed!)
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To: Publius Valerius
We like the five-ten loan as a hedge against the market. In five years in socal on the beach, you will get some appreciation, usually 20-40%.

If you can't get a loan you like, rent it out or sell and move down. Most likely, if you keep your powder dry (fico score low) you will do all right for the 5-10 years after. Why give money to the bank, you don't have to?

50 posted on 12/11/2006 10:16:53 AM PST by carolinalivin
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To: Rutles4Ever

There are alot of ID10T codes like him out there.


51 posted on 12/11/2006 10:18:11 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: 100-Fold_Return

If your net payment after Income taxes is less than you could rent what you need, and you buy at the right size for your lifestyle, and don't expect double digit appreciation, your HOME is an asset. Life is more than money.


52 posted on 12/11/2006 10:18:23 AM PST by steve8714 (Isn't Israel a sovereign nation?)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
"IMO rates could go a tad lower into next year. "

I think the exact opposite is most likely (I work in mutual funds). The threat of inflation is too great right now that the Fed can't afford to lower rates for some time. The housing market is affecting the aggregate market, making the situation worse.

I happened to read a USA Today article this morning about this very issue.

53 posted on 12/11/2006 10:19:39 AM PST by xusafflyer (Mexifornian by birth, Hoosier by choice.)
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To: 2banana
bought a $32,000 Toyota Avalon

I just bought a beautiful used Avalon (2002) for $7500...of course, I was only trying to impress myself...

Hang in there! You will be able to get HIS shortly!!

54 posted on 12/11/2006 10:20:22 AM PST by Gorzaloon ("Illegal Immigrant": The Larval form of A Democrat.)
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To: finnman69
Yesterday, I did some planning with a guy who thought his townhome was worth 700,000 (last year's appraisal). The comps since then are 639-659,000. Went to an open house nearby before I saw him. Great house, more square footage than his and $650,000.

Some one has to bring the facts of life. It's a bad time to be a seller. However a good time for buyers and investors.

55 posted on 12/11/2006 10:20:35 AM PST by carolinalivin
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To: xusafflyer
I'm reading of a recession in the late summer. That would bring rates down.

I don't play the rates watch usually. If the rates are up, the values are down and vis a versa. Doesn't that make the payment in the same range?

56 posted on 12/11/2006 10:22:27 AM PST by carolinalivin
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To: Publius Valerius

California's become a member's only club. People just keep trading up like a Ponzi Scheme (as someone else said). What I am absolutely dumbfounded about is why, with massive gains, more people don't pack up and move to the Midwest or East coast. I know my brother-in-law is beginning to think about moving his family to the Midwest. They're tired of the gang-creep and the disintegrating culture out there. They could live extremely well if they decide to move.


57 posted on 12/11/2006 10:24:00 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (The ZW radiation will not allow it. We'll both be killed that way. The medal must not be destroyed!)
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To: Always Right

Have you seen this idiot?

The world infamous wanna be investor flipper disaster.

http://iamfacingforeclosure.com/

Casey Serin: I'm a 24 yr old real estate investor from Sacramento CA. After going to a few seminars I bought 8 houses in 8 months in 4 states with no money down looking to fix 'n flip. I made some mistakes and fell flat on my face with $2.2 million in debt and facing foreclosure.


58 posted on 12/11/2006 10:24:35 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Always Right
The question is why doesn't he have his house on the market right now if he can no longer afford the payments.

He said he does not have the $11K to pay the early payment penalty. What an ass.

59 posted on 12/11/2006 10:26:46 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: carolinalivin
We like the five-ten loan as a hedge against the market. In five years in socal on the beach, you will get some appreciation, usually 20-40%.

If you can't get a loan you like, rent it out or sell and move down. Most likely, if you keep your powder dry (fico score low) you will do all right for the 5-10 years after. Why give money to the bank, you don't have to?

Spoken just like a salesman.

60 posted on 12/11/2006 10:28:19 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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