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Falling prices trap new homebuyers
The Orange County Register ^ | December 13, 2006 | JEFF COLLINS

Posted on 12/13/2006 4:40:07 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Wednesday, December 13, 2006

Falling prices trap new homebuyers

Neighbors in a new Garden Grove tract say a developer's plan to slash prices by about $140,000 has left them owing more for their homes than they're now worth.

By JEFF COLLINS

The Orange County Register

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bubble; depression; despair; doom; dustbowl; grapesofwrath; housing; housingbubble; iluvwilliegreen; imtomjoad; prop13rules; realestate; schadenfreude; wearealltoast
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To: Graybeard58

It affects me because of the industry I work in, but it will correct itself and then prices will again begin to rise once people start buying the now-discounted homes and demand again increases.


121 posted on 12/13/2006 6:16:18 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Neighbors in a new Garden Grove tract say a developer's plan to slash prices by about $140,000 has left them owing more for their homes than they're now worth.

Meanwhile, in the South and Midwest, the same home would only cost $140,000 TOTAL in the first place.

122 posted on 12/13/2006 6:17:25 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The developer isn't hosing them by lowering prices on new homes in their neighbourhood, they hosed themselves by buying overpriced homes that they could barely afford. Cry me a freaking river.


123 posted on 12/13/2006 6:18:13 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: CharlesWayneCT; GodGunsGuts
That averages to a 3-bedroom, 2-bath house (not large by any means) at about $3400, or about twice what your article suggested a rental would go for.

There has been an uptick in rental rates in the city of San Francisco lately, but his estimate is pretty accurate for the rest of the Bay Area. Rents aren't even close to monthly mortgage payments - usually around 50-60% as much.

124 posted on 12/13/2006 6:18:28 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: GodGunsGuts

In low-cost areas, it's more advantageous to buy. In expensive areas, rent is often still cheaper, as you show.


125 posted on 12/13/2006 6:19:15 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: Toadman
Of course, these hearings will happen at the same time the Big Oil Company hearing are going on, so they won't get the attention Harry would want them to get. Since he is the new majority leader, he should have the common sense to schedule each hearing so they do get the MSM's proper attention, but he has a mental disorder that brushes common sense aside.
126 posted on 12/13/2006 6:21:55 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: RockinRight
Meanwhile, in the South and Midwest, the same home would only cost $140,000 TOTAL in the first place.

The drawback being, you have to live in the South or Midwest. ;)

It's still all about supply and demand, and way more Americans want to live in Orange County than in Houston or Indianapolis.

127 posted on 12/13/2006 6:22:43 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Xenalyte

It's funny how what you're used to shapes your perception, isn't it? My husband is from Pittsburgh, and on one trip back there, we toured a nice suburban neighborhood. There was a lovely house for sale, for $635,000, a house that would be easily twice as much (if it existed) here in the Washington, DC area.

My husband's brother and his wife live in the Houston area. When we got out of our cars and compared our impressions of the house we'd seen, ours was "That's so cheap!" and theirs was, "That's incredibly expensive!!"


128 posted on 12/13/2006 6:23:03 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: crz

I've always wondered that. Here in Ohio, a new house of 2500 square feet on a decent lot might sell for $275,000. It costs the builder about $240,000 to build. I've always wondered if that same house in CA or Northern VA still costs the same to build, but sells for $700,000 giving the builder that much more profit, or if the labor/material costs are higher too.


129 posted on 12/13/2006 6:23:33 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Your point is exactly right. If you thought the house was worth what you borrowed when you got it, price fluctuations after you are in it aren't really relevant, unless you were intending to flip it all along, in which case that is the risk you took. No one will get thrown out of their house due to lowering values. To the contrary, if you get into a pinch, the bank will be even easier to work with, now that their collateral has lost value.


130 posted on 12/13/2006 6:23:57 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Not me.

To get me to live in OC they'd have to offer to pay me at least $200 grand a year. I make upper five-figures now.


131 posted on 12/13/2006 6:24:32 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: ladyjane

Sounds like we'd better get down there even sooner than I'd planned. :)


132 posted on 12/13/2006 6:26:41 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: GodGunsGuts

Interesting. I realize supply and demand matters, but last time I checked Houston had a good economy and growing population just like those other cities. I wonder why it has remained so reasonable.


133 posted on 12/13/2006 6:27:47 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: Moonman62

It still doesn't change the fact that demand for real estate had reached the saturation point and then fell. No matter how much they lowered rates they could not attract new demand. That's pushing on a string.


134 posted on 12/13/2006 6:28:24 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: hawkaw

Renting is cheaper in insanely prices markets. In normal markets, buying is usually better.


135 posted on 12/13/2006 6:30:13 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: RockinRight

Don't forget the cost of the land; in Northern Virginia they're not making much of that any more, and the cost of an infill lot (with or without a house to tear down) can be in the high six figures before you even build anything on it.


136 posted on 12/13/2006 6:30:38 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: GodGunsGuts
Whats more pathetic is the buyers have hired an attorney.

Keyvan Samini, an attorney for some of the buyers, said the purchasers relied on the lender and its appraiser to confirm the homes' $800,000-plus price tags. But appraisers ended up using homes about three miles away as a guide for the first appraisal, and subsequent loan appraisals were based on the first one, Samini said. The appraisals "were way too high," Samini said. "I believe that the builder knew they were too high, or should have known. And it's not the fault of the buyers. They rely on the expertise of those appraisers." Barisic, Brandywine's sales VP, said he doesn't know anything about the comparable homes used in the appraisals. "The appraisers are not hired by Brandywine Homes," Barisic said. "They're hired by the lenders, which the homebuyers chose themselves."

And oh that sound of the worlds smallest violin can be heard all over OC now. It's not my fault, it's the builders fault, they made me buy more house than I can afford! Everyone said I could make a ton of money buying a house! They are not making any more land! Prices will never go down!

One of Samini's clients said he's facing the possibility of foreclosure because of the price cuts. Dunn said he's in a financial bind because he's using an exotic mortgage called an Option ARM, an adjustable-rate loan in which the homeowner can pick his monthly payment from a variety of options. Eventually, he'll be responsible for making full payments of $6,000 a month, he said, adding, "I don't know how we'll be able to pay that." "It's not just the financial aspect. It's the emotional," Dunn said. "We can't eat, can't sleep. I can't concentrate on work. This is all I think about."

Here are all of the factors that are creating a 'Perfect Storm' housing bubble:

1. No more buyers. 1st time buyers are exhausted, and unable and unwilling to take on ridiculous unaffordable mortgages to buy a home when they can rent for half the price.

2. A tightening sub-prime mortgage market. As companies like Ownit have gone under due to bad loans defaulting back to them, watch the others tighten their lending standards. Without the ability to pay for hyper-inflated real estate with 'suicide' loans, the pons scheme revenue source is over.

3. Without new buyers, current owners can't sell to move up to bigger homes. It's like those fan rooms where you wear a billowing suit under a giant fan and are supported by the air. The fan has been turned off, and prices must fall.

4. Owners are tapped out credit wise and many have indeed ATMed their house to the point they owe more than its worth. These people are already in deep doo doo, and are 1 job loss away from foreclosure as they have no savings and would have to bring cash to the sale, if they could sell.

5. Watch the Spring sales season become a 'Silent Spring'. I expect to see a flood of home sales unlike anything seen last year.

6. Job losses in construction and real estate are mounting and are a major part of the economy. This will lead to further pressures to sell existing homes and raise inventory.

7. No likelihood that the Fed will lower interest rates any time soon. However, I do not believe rising interest rates have anything to do with the housing slowdown. The issue is affability and mortgage rates are still ridiculously low.

8. Equity locusts are taking their gains if they can sell and bailing from unaffordable areas such as California. The gains are being banked or sank into areas like Texas. this itself is creating another bubble in this relocation areas.

137 posted on 12/13/2006 6:30:44 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Whats more pathetic is the buyers have hired an attorney.

Keyvan Samini, an attorney for some of the buyers, said the purchasers relied on the lender and its appraiser to confirm the homes' $800,000-plus price tags. But appraisers ended up using homes about three miles away as a guide for the first appraisal, and subsequent loan appraisals were based on the first one, Samini said. The appraisals "were way too high," Samini said. "I believe that the builder knew they were too high, or should have known. And it's not the fault of the buyers. They rely on the expertise of those appraisers." Barisic, Brandywine's sales VP, said he doesn't know anything about the comparable homes used in the appraisals. "The appraisers are not hired by Brandywine Homes," Barisic said. "They're hired by the lenders, which the homebuyers chose themselves."

And oh that sound of the worlds smallest violin can be heard all over OC now. It's not my fault, it's the builders fault, they made me buy more house than I can afford! Everyone said I could make a ton of money buying a house! They are not making any more land! Prices will never go down!

One of Samini's clients said he's facing the possibility of foreclosure because of the price cuts. Dunn said he's in a financial bind because he's using an exotic mortgage called an Option ARM, an adjustable-rate loan in which the homeowner can pick his monthly payment from a variety of options. Eventually, he'll be responsible for making full payments of $6,000 a month, he said, adding, "I don't know how we'll be able to pay that." "It's not just the financial aspect. It's the emotional," Dunn said. "We can't eat, can't sleep. I can't concentrate on work. This is all I think about."

Here are all of the factors that are creating a 'Perfect Storm' housing bubble:

1. No more buyers. 1st time buyers are exhausted, and unable and unwilling to take on ridiculous unaffordable mortgages to buy a home when they can rent for half the price.

2. A tightening sub-prime mortgage market. As companies like Ownit have gone under due to bad loans defaulting back to them, watch the others tighten their lending standards. Without the ability to pay for hyper-inflated real estate with 'suicide' loans, the pons scheme revenue source is over.

3. Without new buyers, current owners can't sell to move up to bigger homes. It's like those fan rooms where you wear a billowing suit under a giant fan and are supported by the air. The fan has been turned off, and prices must fall.

4. Owners are tapped out credit wise and many have indeed ATMed their house to the point they owe more than its worth. These people are already in deep doo doo, and are 1 job loss away from foreclosure as they have no savings and would have to bring cash to the sale, if they could sell.

5. Watch the Spring sales season become a 'Silent Spring'. I expect to see a flood of home sales unlike anything seen last year.

6. Job losses in construction and real estate are mounting and are a major part of the economy. This will lead to further pressures to sell existing homes and raise inventory.

7. No likelihood that the Fed will lower interest rates any time soon. However, I do not believe rising interest rates have anything to do with the housing slowdown. The issue is affordability and mortgage rates are still ridiculously low.

8. Equity locusts are taking their gains if they can sell and bailing from unaffordable areas such as California. The gains are being banked or sank into areas like Texas. this itself is creating another bubble in this relocation areas.

138 posted on 12/13/2006 6:30:45 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0; GodGunsGuts

Location, location, location.

I've purchased numerous homes and rental properties in the Midwest over the past twenty years. I've never lost dime-one and have always made at least $30K profit on every sale.

And this was starting in the early 80's when interest rates were still high, all through the dot-com boom, and up until the present day. Slow and steady wins the race. :)

I'm sticking with my farm now, though. This little puppy is a goldmine. In another ten years I'll be able to sell it for easily 3x what I paid for it, as development encroaches. (We're land-locked due to farm zoning and a lake and public hunting land.)

However, I could be hit by a bus tomorrow, but that's my plan, anyway. ;)


139 posted on 12/13/2006 6:31:34 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Japan went into a deflationary period because their banks had trouble making new loans for the reason I've already given you. Interest rates in Japan were almost irrelevant. That can't be compared to where the United States is today.


140 posted on 12/13/2006 6:31:51 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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