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'People laughed as robbers died'
News24 | AFP ^ | 12/26/06

Posted on 12/26/2006 10:27:07 PM PST by LibWhacker

Johannesburg - The South African government's continued failure to bring crime under control is leading a growing number of citizens to start taking the law into their own hands, often with deadly results.

"It is sometimes justifiable," says Frits Kreil, who runs a self-styled "community policing forum" in Johannesburg's northern Randburg suburb.

"People are fed up with crime and resort to killing to protect their lives and those of their loved ones."

In one of the latest such incidents, three members of an armed gang were killed when a local at a pub in the suburb of Emmarentia opened fire as they robbed and pistol-whipped customers earlier this month.

The locals raised their glasses as the robbers lay dying and then rang the police. As one of the drinkers told the Beeld newspaper: "They died slowly, we all stood and laughed."

Police don't come

While reluctant to give their names, regulars at the pub voiced few regrets about the incident to AFP after the shooting.

"We cannot live our lives in fear any more," said one. "Whenever we feel threatened or attacked, we shoot and call the police later."

The feeling that summoning the police is pointless is widespread in one of the world's most crime-ridden countries. More than half a million burglaries or robberies were reported last year while 18 528 people were murdered.

Kriel said that he would neither "criticise nor condone" the practice of opening fire before calling the police but acknowledged that it went on.

"Citizens feel they live in danger, and sometimes waiting for cops is a huge time delay," he said.

While the white middle-class can afford to invest in hi-tech security systems in order to prevent their homes being targeted, residents in the black townships cannot afford such luxuries.

Austin Dube, who runs a scheme similar to Kriel's in the Alexandra township, said his fellow neighbourhood patrollers had more trust from the local community than the regular police.

"We get complaints and also realise that the police do not respond in time to emergency calls because they use cars for their own purposes," said Dube.

"This promotes the idea of people dealing with criminals their own way. They are fed up," he added.

The police and government both claim that they are beginning to make inroads into the crime rate but analysts say that people are feeling as unsafe as ever.

"The reason citizens respond the way they do is because they have lost confidence not only in the police but the whole criminal justice system," said Antoinette Louw of the Pretoria-based Institute for Security Studies (ISS).

"More often than not, people are told there are no (police) vehicles, or personnel. That is why they take the law into their own hands," she added.

The first signs of South Africans taking the law into their own hands was seen in the late 1990s when kangaroo courts began springing up, particularly in rural areas.

Lately however the phenomenon of seeking instant justice has been on the rise.

When a group of street vendors caught up with an armed robber soon after he raided a garage in Durban this week, they beat him so badly that he needed life-saving treatment in hospital.

Two suspected rapists were killed in the same city several weeks ago when a mob dragged them from a police car and stoned them to death shortly after their arrest.

National police spokesperson Phuti Setati said taking the law into one's own hands was "not allowed, and will never be tolerated."

"We do not encourage people to go around taking the law into their own hands. Instead if possible, we encourage them to effect citizen's arrest and call the police," he told AFP.


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1 posted on 12/26/2006 10:27:08 PM PST by LibWhacker
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Interesting keywords. ;)


2 posted on 12/26/2006 10:29:11 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: LibWhacker
National police spokesperson Phuti Setati said taking the law into one's own hands was "not allowed, and will never be tolerated."

That might be true but it sure will "take a bite out of crime." It's difficult to commit a crime when you're dead. (Unless you're a DemocRAT).

3 posted on 12/26/2006 10:34:25 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (When I was a kid, "global warming" was known as "the weather.")
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The locals raised their glasses as the robbers lay dying and then rang the police. As one of the drinkers told the Beeld newspaper: "They died slowly, we all stood and laughed."

Well I was laughing when I read that!!

4 posted on 12/26/2006 10:41:34 PM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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"Two suspected rapists were killed in the same city several weeks ago when a mob dragged them from a police car and stoned them to death shortly after their arrest."


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5 posted on 12/26/2006 10:48:51 PM PST by Fred Nerks (MEDIA + ENEMY = ENEMEDIA!)
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To: LibWhacker
Kriel said that he would neither "criticise nor condone" the practice of opening fire before calling the police

Mighty white of him.

"Citizens feel they live in danger, and sometimes waiting for cops is a huge time delay," he said.

While the white middle-class can afford to invest in hi-tech security systems in order to prevent their homes being targeted, residents in the black townships cannot afford such luxuries

Write to Mr Mugabe, and ask him how to handle this inequity. Zimabawe solved that problem quite handily.

On second thought, better send a runner; the Zimbabwe phone system miight be down. Better give him a pack of food & water too; he probably wouldn't find any place to buy any, once he crossed the border.

"This promotes the idea of people dealing with criminals their own way. They are fed up," he added.

I thought the Lefty mantra was "Power to the People!"? So what's his complaint?

6 posted on 12/26/2006 10:58:35 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: LibWhacker; wagglebee; DaveLoneRanger
In one of the latest such incidents, three members of an armed gang were killed when a local at a pub in the suburb of Emmarentia opened fire as they robbed and pistol-whipped customers earlier this month.
The locals raised their glasses as the robbers lay dying and then rang the police. As one of the drinkers told the Beeld newspaper: "They died slowly, we all stood and laughed."

That'll happen.

We'll be seeing it here if things keep going the way they are. People have a right to defend themselves.

7 posted on 12/26/2006 11:04:48 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: LibWhacker

My local news featured the local rise in home break ins tonight. Most prominent was a criminal defense lawyer telling us how careful we must be in deciding to pull the trigger on such an animal. Better be nice to those thugs or you might get sued into oblivion. I guess if someone breaks down my door while I'm home, I'm going to jail and will be destitute, because my response will be to empty the clip into him.


8 posted on 12/26/2006 11:08:43 PM PST by FlyVet
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the good old days


9 posted on 12/26/2006 11:14:50 PM PST by shadowcat
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Flamethrower now an option on S. African cars
10 posted on 12/26/2006 11:17:57 PM PST by F-117A (Who is Jamil Hussein?)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

(( ping ))

You might get a kick out of this.


11 posted on 12/26/2006 11:20:38 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: LibWhacker

The time in South Africa is about 4 years 'til Zimbabwe.


12 posted on 12/26/2006 11:22:27 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: sageb1

13 posted on 12/26/2006 11:27:05 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: LibWhacker
I thought SA was utopia now that Mandella saved them?

I didn't care for the old government, but replacing it with commies was foolish.

14 posted on 12/26/2006 11:30:30 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Lancey Howard

That depends upon WHO follows Mbeki.


15 posted on 12/26/2006 11:32:10 PM PST by nopardons
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To: LibWhacker

Ahhh Africa.....Just Ahhhh, that's it.


16 posted on 12/26/2006 11:45:18 PM PST by Dallas59 (HAPPY NEW YEAR 2007!)
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"Two suspected rapists were killed in the same city several weeks ago"


I thought the ROP killed the rapee for dishonoring their family


17 posted on 12/26/2006 11:55:55 PM PST by Figment
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To: Liberty Valance

RIP, Bronson. Too bad nobody makes Chuck movies anymore. Ahnold is busy skiing errr governing, Clint has gone mainstream, Segal is wacked out....


18 posted on 12/26/2006 11:58:42 PM PST by KingofZion
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To: LibWhacker
The locals raised their glasses as the robbers lay dying and then rang the police. As one of the drinkers told the Beeld newspaper: "They died slowly, we all stood and laughed."

Well done lads!

19 posted on 12/27/2006 12:06:03 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Not one of those seasonal Festivians. I practice the Airing of Grievances daily. Often on this site.)
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To: Figment

It's the STONING that makes me suspect something islamic...


20 posted on 12/27/2006 12:09:00 AM PST by Fred Nerks (MEDIA + ENEMY = ENEMEDIA!)
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