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Please remember these 17-yo Americans who died Nov, Dec 1950, under Truman, to free S. Korea.

Posted on 01/02/2007 9:05:40 AM PST by syriacus

115 youths in all. All younger than 18.

No one demanded that WMDs needed to be found in 1950 Korea, in order to justify freeing South Koreans from potential domination by Kim Jong-Il's father, Kim Il-sung..

Name -- State -- Date of death

Donald R Abel -- Pennsylvania   4 Nov 1950
James V Ashbaugh -- Ohio   6 Dec 1950
Donald L Bakie -- Maryland   2 Nov 1950
Ronald R Barker -- Virginia   2 Dec 1950
Robert A Jr Best Jr --Wisconsin   2 Dec 1950
Curtis L Bowman -- Virginia   24 Dec 1950
Donald W Boyd -- Pennsylvania   28 Nov 1950
Kenneth L Bridger -- Washington   30 Nov 1950
Buddy B Burris -- California   4 Dec 1950
John M Carnes -- Ohio   12 Dec 1950
Melvin H Chantre -- Massachusetts   2 Nov 1950
John B Christiana -- Pennsylvania   30 Nov 1950
Freddie E Church -- Ohio   1 Nov 1950
Arthur A Clifton -- New Mexico   11 Dec 1950
William Colletti -- Maryland   2 Dec 1950
Clifton W Conley -- Pennsylvania   4 Dec 1950
Henry D Connell -- Massachusetts   2 Nov 1950
Howard D Cook -- Kentucky   6 Nov 1950
John E Cook -- New York   29 Nov 1950
Patrick H Creagan -- Iowa   3 Dec 1950
Arthur E Crim -- Ohio   28 Nov 1950
Harold E Dale -- Michigan   13 Dec 1950
Edward H Davis -- Mississippi   2 Dec 1950
Amos Jr Douglas -- Ohio   28 Nov 1950
Richard D Espinoza -- Illinois   29 Nov 1950
Gene E Evans -- California   12 Dec 1950
William F Evans -- New Jersey   3 Dec 1950
Gerald A Farris -- California   2 Dec 1950
Eric N Jr Flackman -- California   11 Dec 1950
Irvin E Focht -- Ohio   12 Dec 1950
James L Franklin -- Virginia 6 Nov 1950
Royce C Gibson -- Kentucky   27 Nov 1950
J W Gilland -- Alabama   3 Nov 1950
Larry O Greenfield -- Iowa   14 Dec 1950
Raymond Gunderson -- Wisconsin   10 Nov 1950
Lewis S Harsher -- West Virginia   2 Dec 1950
Clarence G Hartley -- Washington   30 Nov 1950
Paul E Heald -- Florida   3 Dec 1950
Glenwood C Helman -- Pennsylvania   30 Nov 1950
Jerold C Hoffman -- Pennsylvania   15 Nov 1950
Charles L Hogan -- Texas   2 Dec 1950
Theodore H Hopke -- New York   2 Nov 1950
William C Hunt -- Kentucky   26 Nov 1950
Jack W Hutchison -- Michigan   30 Nov 1950
Harold S Jackson -- Ohio   13 Nov 1950
Herbert Jackson -- Pennsylvania   11 Nov 1950
Joseph B Joe -- Louisiana   1 Dec 1950
Eldride Johnson -- Louisiana   27 Nov 1950
John B Johnson -- North Carolina   15 Dec 1950
Wesley Johnson -- Alabama   2 Nov 1950
Robert N Jones -- California   26 Nov 1950
John J Keglovitz -- Pennsylvania   15 Dec 1950
Donald E Kelly -- California   3 Dec 1950
George E Kessler -- Virginia   28 Nov 1950
Martin A King -- Pennsylvania   2 Nov 1950
George H Lawall -- Pennsylvania   15 Dec 1950
Ray K Lilly -- West Virginia   2 Nov 1950
Kenneth W Lippert -- Ohio   2 Nov 1950
Richard A Lucas -- New Jersey   26 Nov 1950
Marshall F Lyons -- Michigan   11 Nov 1950
Donald V MacLean -- Ohio   2 Dec 1950
Henry E Jr Matton -- Wisconsin   11 Nov 1950
Donald McClellan -- Michigan   11 Dec 1950
Richard McKinney -- California   2 Dec 1950
Gerald W McLean -- Kentucky   30 Nov 1950
John D Meikle -- Virginia   15 Dec 1950
Norman E Moore -- Massachusetts   28 Nov 1950
Roland B Mullen -- Pennsylvania   21 Dec 1950
George R Jr Nedley -- Pennsylvania   29 Nov 1950
Henry R Oneal -- California   28 Nov 1950
Dick E Osborne -- Pennsylvania   2 Nov 1950
Edison F Owens -- Illinois   28 Nov 1950
Michael H Paczocha -- Wisconsin   28 Nov 1950
James R Palmer -- Ohio   2 Nov 1950
Thomas L Parker -- Georgia   27 Nov 1950
Philip O Peterson -- Minnesota   2 Dec 1950
George Jr Petty -- Pennsylvania   27 Nov 1950
Walter Pierce -- Pennsylvania   2 Nov 1950
Roger W Pleshek -- Michigan   30 Nov 1950
Alton R Register -- North Carolina   2 Dec 1950
James A Riddle -- Michigan   2 Dec 1950
Kenneth M Rinkes -- Ohio   3 Dec 1950
Joseph A Roberts -- Massachusetts   2 Nov 1950
Joseph C Robinson -- Pennsylvania   28 Nov 1950
Herman Rose -- North Carolina   3 Dec 1950
Paul E Rose -- Pennsylvania   3 Dec 1950
Joseph Serback -- West Virginia   27 Nov 1950
Anthony R Sidoti -- Connecticut   2 Nov 1950
Marvin M Sihrer -- South Dakota   27 Nov 1950
Donald M Smith -- Kentucky   28 Nov 1950
Donald R Smith -- Ohio   2 Dec 1950
William Sneed -- Michigan   3 Dec 1950
Walter A Snyder -- Ohio   6 Dec 1950
Louis Jr Sonnier -- Louisiana   28 Nov 1950
Elmo M Spiller -- Washington   2 Nov 1950
John O Strom -- Minnesota   2 Nov 1950
John L Sullivan -- Tennessee   29 Nov 1950
Earl W Taylor -- Missouri   28 Nov 1950
James W Teague -- North Carolina   28 Nov 1950
Billy E Tennison -- Texas   1 Dec 1950
Ernest L Jr Thorpe -- Pennsylvania   15 Dec 1950
Barney A Tolbert -- Alabama   2 Dec 1950
Alfredo T Trevino -- Texas   2 Dec 1950
Darold D Urbanski -- Wyoming   1 Dec 1950
Richa Van Newhouse -- Ohio   6 Dec 1950
Rex E Wagner -- Ohio   2 Nov 1950
Lawrence R Walker -- California   30 Nov 1950
Donald E Wallace -- Tennessee   28 Nov 1950
George W Walters -- Maryland   2 Nov 1950
Kenneth E Walters -- Oklahoma   6 Dec 1950
Calvin Benjamin Ward -- Maryland   3 Dec 1950
Willie Jr Watts -- South Carolina   27 Nov 1950
Berl D Weekley -- Florida   28 Nov 1950
David G Wheat -- Louisiana   11 Nov 1950
Richard W Young -- Pennsylvania   26 Nov 1950


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KEYWORDS: koreanwar; nowmds; truman; trumandoctrine
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To: syriacus

That ain't it!

Saddam still had Pre-Gulf War CW stashed all around Iraq. It was suppose to be declared to the UN after the Gulf War but US forces discovered it after 2003!

The whole country must be chemical dump.


"Santorum said the two-month-old report was prepared by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a military intelligence agency that started looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when the Iraq Survey Group stopped doing so in late 2004.

Last year the head of Iraq Survey Group, Charles Duelfer, said that insurgents in Iraq had already used old chemical weapons in their attacks.

Nevertheless, "the impression that the Iraqi Survey Group left with the American people was they didn't find anything," Hoekstra said.

"But this says: Weapons have been discovered; more weapons exist. And they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," he said.

Asked just how dangerous the weapons are, Hoekstra said: "One or two of these shells, the materials inside of these, transferred outside of the country, can be very, very deadly."

The report said that the purity of the chemical agents -- and thus their potency -- depends on "many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives, and environmental storage conditions."

"While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," it said.

Reporters questioned the lawmakers as to why the Bush administration had not played up the report to boost their case for continued warfare in Iraq.

"The administration has been very clear that they want to look forward," Santorum said. "They felt it was not their role to go back and fight previous discussions."

Fear that Saddam Hussein might use his alleged arsenal of chemical and biological weapons was may reason US officials gave for launching the March 2003 invasion of Iraq."

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/21/060622014432.acs11f38.html

Though about 500 chemical weapons - the exact number has not been released publicly - have been found, Maples said he doesn't believe Iraq is a "WMD-free zone."

"I do believe the former regime did a very poor job of accountability of munitions, and certainly did not document the destruction of munitions," he said. "The recovery program goes on, and I do not believe we have found all the weapons."

http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,103631,00.html?ESRC=coastgnews.RSS


41 posted on 01/03/2007 1:15:48 PM PST by Milligan (THERE IS A CONNECTION)
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To: Milligan


Making Perfume bottles into CW

Iraq War Truth Squad
Frank Gaffney | June 19, 2006
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,101725,00.html


42 posted on 01/03/2007 1:39:17 PM PST by Milligan (THERE IS A CONNECTION)
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To: syriacus
On average, a bad month in Iraq would have been a good month in Korea

Number of US deaths, month by month

-------Iraq War------Korean War

65 2,849
73 1,754
37 3,345
30 386
47 3,475
35 2,154
30 657
43 2,068
82 886
40 1,072
47 1,161
19 806
52 314
147 504
88 1,394
44 1,659
61 531
71 221
84 206
68 147
140 175
73 226
108 201
62 484
36 450
52 412
82 619
77 1,017
55 302
85 197
54 173
96 243
88 541
67 310
65 199
56 471
33 1,006
81 7
71 5
61 63
51 52
70 360
76 131
108 129
76 83
30

43 posted on 01/05/2007 6:16:04 AM PST by syriacus (Iraq War is like the Korean War - but with a GOP prez, 10% of the deaths, an antagonistic MSM)
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To: Panzerfaust
You were unhappy with my choice of months for a comparison between US military deaths in the Iraq War and in the Korean War.

Spurred on by your dissatisfaction, I've composed a rudimentary table which compares the two "wars," month-by-month for close to 4 years.

I think it can be safely said tha, a bad month in Iraq would have been a good month in Korea

Number of US military deaths, month by month

-------Iraq War------Korean War

65 2,849
73 1,754
37 3,345
30 386
47 3,475
35 2,154
30 657
43 2,068
82 886
40 1,072
47 1,161
19 806
52 314
147 504
88 1,394
44 1,659
61 531
71 221
84 206
68 147
140 175
73 226
108 201
62 484
36 450
52 412
82 619
77 1,017
55 302
85 197
54 173
96 243
88 541
67 310
65 199
56 471
33 1,006
81 7
71 5
61 63
51 52
70 360
76 131
108 129
76 83
30

I hope to do some calculating, to figure out running totals for each war, by month and by year.

It should be interesting. Thank you for the idea!!

44 posted on 01/05/2007 6:23:12 AM PST by syriacus (Iraq War is like the Korean War - but with a GOP prez, 10% of the deaths, an antagonistic MSM)
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To: Chi-townChief

One of them is my wife's uncle


45 posted on 01/05/2007 6:24:14 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: syriacus
If 3,000 deaths is some "magic cutoff point" for support for a war, Truman should have withdrawn his troops within a couple of months of sending them there.

Correction:

If 3,000 deaths is some "magic cutoff point" for support for a war, Truman should have withdrawn his troops from Korea within 35 days of sending them there.

46 posted on 01/05/2007 6:30:17 AM PST by syriacus (Iraq War is like the Korean War - but with a GOP prez, 10% of the deaths, an antagonistic MSM)
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To: bannie

"Interrupt the flow of the spin."


Indeed. The key to defeating the IdiotLeft is to destroy their basic premises.

Similarly, this same concept writ large, indicates that there is a screaming need for conservative news generation sources. Even a truly conservative national television channel would be just a small step in the proper direction.

The genesis and initial orientation of news stories is where conservatives need to get busy.


47 posted on 01/05/2007 6:37:48 AM PST by EyeGuy
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