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Victor Davis Hanson: Military Solutions? Myths About the US Military; what we need in Iraq ...
pajamasmedia.com ^ | January 3, 2007 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 01/09/2007 11:01:24 AM PST by Tolik

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To: johnny7
“Bob, I want you to take Buna, or not come back alive ... And that goes for your chief of staff, too.”

They took Buna and a lot of soldiers didn't come back alive. My father joined the 32nd ID in Australia as a replacement in early '43 after the Buna campaign. After some R&R and further training they returned to New Guinea until Nov. '44, when they went and retook the Philippines for MacArthur. Everyone knows about the Bulge and the race to the Rhine, but not New Guinea, Leyte, and Luzon, which occurred in the same time frame. (/pet peeve)

21 posted on 01/09/2007 1:35:36 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: billbears

Your history needs some updating. Try reading newer works on Grant's administration and you will find that the media did a fine job of spinning lies back then too. Read Scaturro's President Grant Reconsidered. Racism towards the Indian was not limited to Sherman either. But that aside, it does not change the nuts and bolts of VDH's assertion that it is not the numbers put in place to face a situation rather then the artificial handcuffs placed on the numbers that can doom the majority success over the minority. Further, in studying history, if you find it hard to relate the past to the present, and believe that a war in another country or time AND place, have nothing in common with the American Civil War, you ARE doomed to repeat the mistakes as well. Perhaps a 6th grade World History class could help you out here.


22 posted on 01/09/2007 1:41:00 PM PST by Embers143 (Governments are attracted to any science that justifies enlarging their powers.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Ever read up on Herman Boettcher?


23 posted on 01/09/2007 1:43:54 PM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: johnny7
Yes. Wasn't he a German immigrant who joined the army and received the Medal of Honor posthumously for his deeds during the Buna campaign? IIRC he got a battlefield commission. I read a 32nd Division profile that ran in Look magazine in late 1945. Or maybe it was the Post. Anyway, Boettcher was prominent in the story and his death was a great blow to the whole Division.

How do you know about him. That article was the only place I ever saw him mentioned.

24 posted on 01/09/2007 1:55:36 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Nancee
Well, how does it feel?

It feels wonderful, a high, I guess.

If I get fired it'll be a low!! LOL

25 posted on 01/09/2007 1:55:45 PM PST by melancholy
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To: Patrick1

I love this guy. I'd love to see him rip Chrissie a new one.


26 posted on 01/09/2007 2:00:33 PM PST by lawnguy (Give me some of your tots!!!)
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To: Patrick1

The principle of the problem is this - stop being nice. Start making the assault stick. How is it when Connan the Barbarian is queried with this question: How do you define victory? When the battlefield is heaped with dead, your enemies run before you, and you hear the lamentations of their women.

Stop being nice, we are not there to impress anyone, we are their to impose our idea of foreign policy. Al Qaeda and the Taliban HAVe to stop, and there is only one way to stop them. By killing them - to kill them is not being nice. Keep killing them, and keep kicking their butts until they come into alignment with U.S. foreign policy.

The same goes with liberals. When they indicate conservatives are not nice, or that conservative ARE hate filled. Ask them how they plan on fixing the issue.

If the U.N comes out in their discussion - point out to them we are still in Kosovo, and that solution with the U.N. at the helm was not served.

It is time for us, as conservative Americans to begin standing up before the treasonous liberal menace.

The question I have for the guy who wrote this article - Did you serve ANY military time? The response should be the same at any time. If you are NOT qualified, you should NOT comment.

SS


27 posted on 01/09/2007 2:02:17 PM PST by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
How do you know about him.

I've read quite a bit about the Pacific Theater in WWII. The Aussies really proved their mettle early-on in New Guinea... by stopping the Japs on the Kokoda Trail. What a miserable place.

28 posted on 01/09/2007 2:16:19 PM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: 2oldfdrs
Tolik has perhaps the best ping list on FR.

I highly suggest you consider having him add you to it.

Cheers,

knewshound

http://www.knewshound.blogspot.com/
29 posted on 01/09/2007 2:52:56 PM PST by knews_hound (Sarcastically blogging since 2004.)
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To: Tolik

30 posted on 01/09/2007 3:27:35 PM PST by Gritty (There is no escape from the war Iran is waging against us, intensifying every passing hour-M Ledeen)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Precisely the point many are making now; if this is stressing our Army, what is going to happen when they see another Pusan or Bastonge.

On a related note, the VA is finding that the gals are not holding up well...but try to get those statistics. They're as tough to find out about as the current condition of Linda Bray.

31 posted on 01/09/2007 3:37:58 PM PST by MSF BU
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To: LS

#####these kinds of claims about the American military being "broken" pop up in EVERY SINGLE WAR we've had,#####

Does your book go all the way to Gulf War One? I remember reading for weeks before the "start", how Saddam had bunkers that were impregnable and intricate, and a 'supergun' that had a barrel larger than anyone had ever built before, and a Republican Guard that outmeasured our forces in every category, etc etc.

How did western reporters get so taken in by smoke and mirrors?


32 posted on 01/09/2007 3:59:26 PM PST by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: Sword_Svalbardt
Ask them (liberals) how they plan on fixing the issue.

They do not have to fix any issue. They only promise to spend more money on what ever is causing bad "feelings."

Example of above situation: Most large cities in the US with dem administrations since the days of Johnson's War on Poverty have worse social problems now than they did in the 1960s. No problem! They "wanted" to fix the problems. They will always look for the ideal over the possible and call us mean-spirited for attempting to address problems by doing what is possible.

33 posted on 01/09/2007 4:07:07 PM PST by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: maica

oh yeah, that "republican guard" was fierce!


34 posted on 01/09/2007 5:05:39 PM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: maica

Oh yes, the book has a lot of "predictions" from the Gulf War. It goes right up to Iraq, and the paperback ed., due out in May, is updated through 2006.


35 posted on 01/09/2007 5:14:59 PM PST by LS
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To: kinghorse

My sentiments exactly. Unfortunately, noone asks us.


36 posted on 01/09/2007 6:31:10 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Tolik

Reasoned optimism. How refreshing!


37 posted on 01/09/2007 6:40:11 PM PST by dervish (Rachel weeps for her children, she refuses to be consoled. Shalit, Goldwasser, Regev)
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To: LS

Thanks, I will look for it.


38 posted on 01/09/2007 6:41:28 PM PST by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: billbears
Great post, billbears. Grant and Sherman were not interested in equality or freeing slaves. They destroyed the South (and then the Native Americans) and placed puppet regimes in charge of Southern states. Corruption and greed were rampant. One of the biggest blights in American history; hardly "brilliant."

VDH is no WBTS historian. He's out of his league on this period (especially Reconstruction). I wish he would stick to ancient Greek history.

39 posted on 01/09/2007 9:19:05 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
Actually, VDH is right on with most of his Civil War history. It's my second area in grad school, and he does know what he's talking about. Sherman did not free a lot of slaves because he was marching "light," foraging for everything he got, and he saw numerous "contraband" as slowing him down. He also was something of a racist. But he fully understood the need for emancipation and absolutely knew he was doing the work of emancipation.

As for corruption, Reconstruction was no different than antebellum Alabama or Arkansas or Mississippi. The corruption there was epidemic, all by Democrats.

40 posted on 01/10/2007 5:58:09 AM PST by LS
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