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To: dfwddr
..I think Rudy did a great job in the 9/11 aftermath, and should always be respected for that, however, for him to run as a Republican candidate, is just plain absurd...

I could NOT agree with you more!... Just look at my comments on the PIC. BUT, as a "conservative," especially on social values he could never carry our vote. Pro-abortion, pro-homosexuals, just these two heavy-duty issues for us disqualify him FOR THE PRESIDENCY!... He still can be active in very useful man in government, because he IS A VERY ABLE MAN.


As you can see by the Pic, someone asked for our thoughts on our current GOP candidates... These are MY Takes... what about yours?


8 posted on 01/27/2007 2:54:57 PM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends - basically :) - despite our differences)
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To: ElPatriota
Ooops, correction:

He still can be AN active AND very useful man in government, because he IS A VERY ABLE MAN. - Sorry.

11 posted on 01/27/2007 2:59:47 PM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends - basically :) - despite our differences)
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To: ElPatriota

This is why you should vote for Rudy. Lets first address the social issues. Let's start with pro-homo. He's AGAINST gay marriage. Now as far as homos go, personally, I disagree with their life style but as long as they do what they do in the privacy of their own home I really don't care and nobody else should either, especially not the federal government. The POTUS doesn't have the power to stop people from being gay. And he surely shouldn't be interferring in people's private lives. So therefore voting on the basis of this issue doesn't make much sense.

As far as abortion goes, we have a pro-life President now but we are still having abortions. No president has the power to stop abortion. Rudy has already said he supports strict constructionist judges like John Roberts. He constantly praised the President for appointing Roberts and Alito. He said Roberts is his ideal justice. Assuming Rudy gets elected President and appoints Roberts-like justices then maybe Roe v. Wade will get overturned. But even if it does get overturned I hope you're not naive enough to think that would stop all abortions. The abortion issue would then revert back to the states and do you really think California would outlaw abortions? Being pragmatic in our thinking we all know we can't completely stop abortions. Therefore voting solely on this issue very unpragmatic. I hate abortions too but I realize that regardless of how many pro-life presidents we elect, its just not going to stop.

Rudy is great on all the other issues, the ones where the President actually has the power to make a real difference, like the WOT. He's fiscally responible(he turned a NYC's deficit into a surplus), a tax cutter(he cut over 20 taxes as Mayor), conservative on domestic policies(he dropped 600,000 people off welfare, cleaned up the rampant crime as Mayor and supports school choice), supports strict constructionist judges, and is 100% perfect when it comes to his stance on the WOT and all other foreign policy which by the way is 100 times more important than worrying about what some gays people are doing, gay people that doesn't affect your life at all!!!

With Rudy you are not getting a liberal, you are getting a man who is conservative on most issues, the issues where the president actually has major influence over and yes he is fairly liberal on a couple of social issues, issues that the president has very little influence over. Nowadays judges have the most influence on these issues and Rudy supports strict constructionist so that pretty well takes care of the social issues and will help us get these issues back to the states where they belong. So on the AVERAGE he is fairly conservative and not a liberal and more importantly conservative on the issues where the President can make a difference. And most importantly he will continue Bush's work on the WOT and give us a great foreign policy.

Finally, Rudy and McCain are, IMO, the only two Republicans that can win in 2008. So take your pick, Hillary, McCain, or Rudy. Sure, you can "choose" another Republican but he will lose to Hillary. Back to Rudy, If he's elected President and fights terrorist like he fought crime as Mayor can you imagine the results we will in the defining struggle of our generation, the fight against Islamic fascism. You know for a fact Hillary will surrender the terrorist and hand our foreign policy over to the UN and EU and poor Israel would be left out to dry. Rudy is extremely competetent and a great leader and there is nobody I want more as Commander in Chief. So you go ahead and worry about gays, people that don't affect your life at all. I'm going to worry about Islamic fascism, you know the people that want to kill us all, and vote for someone that will go after them.

Lets review history. World War II ended in 1945. SEVEN years later in 1952 the most popular general of the war, Dwight Eisenhower, won in a landslide despite far right extremist unpragmatic Republicans not supporting him in the primaries. History always repeats itself


16 posted on 01/27/2007 3:25:34 PM PST by My GOP (Conservatives should be realist and pragmatic!!)
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To: ElPatriota
At this point, Duncan Hunter would be my choice. I like Newt, but not over Duncan.

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22 posted on 01/27/2007 3:57:09 PM PST by dfwddr (Join our Folding@Home team (Team# 36120) keyword:folding.)
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To: ElPatriota

Rudy is NOT a social conservative. Alan Keyes is, though. You may want to support Alan :-)


54 posted on 01/27/2007 5:27:39 PM PST by Sunsong
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