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Giuliani's Social Views Not Well Known
The Gallup Poll ^ | February 7, 2007

Posted on 02/11/2007 2:52:28 PM PST by don-o

PRINCETON, NJ -- As former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani inches closer to a formal declaration of his candidacy for the 2008 Republican nomination for president, the challenge he faces among Republicans with his support of abortion rights and same-sex civil unions is clear in a recent USA Today/Gallup Poll.

Giuliani is extraordinarily well-liked and respected by the American public. He also ties with or leads Arizona Sen. John McCain as the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination in recent Gallup polls. At the same time, his views on abortion and same-sex civil unions are unknown to most rank and file Republicans. Once informed of Giuliani's positions, a sizable minority of Republicans say they would reconsider their support for the otherwise popular and well-respected Republican luminary.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2008; california; electionpresident; elections; giuliani; giuliani2008; gop; medialies; republicans
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To: Kate of Spice Island; Peach
We're drifting away from the subject here (me included.) The subject is that as Rudy's positions become known, he loses support. That per the Gallup poll and also from a post from a Rudy supporter. Everyone I read who looks at Duncan Hunter's positions, pretty much says, "That's what we want."

I have heard reservation about his trade policy. But, that is an issue that needs to be debated again.

51 posted on 02/11/2007 3:55:33 PM PST by don-o (Duncan Hunter for President. Inform yourself. You won't have to hold your nose!)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
While I personally would never have an abortion for my own moral reasons, I won't impose it on anyone else.

If you simply substitute any other kind of murder of an individual for the words "have an abortion" in your sentence, it will quickly become obvious how silly your position is.

One of civilized society's foremost duties is to protect the weak and defenseless among us.

52 posted on 02/11/2007 3:57:19 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Kate of Spice Island

Well Malachi says ( not my words, but Gods) "I hate divorce".

Guess that lets Rudy out.


53 posted on 02/11/2007 3:57:45 PM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: NittanyLion

You're right. I'm personally opposed to theft and rape but of course it wouldn't be right for me to impose my views on others.


54 posted on 02/11/2007 3:58:23 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Hunter '08)
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To: don-o
However, when Republicans are told in the context of the survey that Giuliani supports same-sex civil unions and holds a pro-choice position on abortion, the net effect on their expressed chances of backing him is negative.

Oh My! I see a downhill slide coming around the bend for St. Rudy. Thank Goodness.

55 posted on 02/11/2007 3:59:29 PM PST by Afronaut (Supporting Republican Liberals is the Undeniable End to Freedom)
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To: nmh

Even if he comes up against Hitlery and/or Obama?

In that case we will have what happened when Perot ran on a third party ticket.

Don't get me wrong. I don't like Rudy either but I would vote for him if I thought he could defeat the other two.


56 posted on 02/11/2007 4:02:29 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: Kate of Spice Island

My daughter's dad is doing his best to make my life miserable for not murdering my daughter. I know I made the right choice.


I appreciate you choosing to keep your baby, but can't you see that your daughter's dad wouldn't be doing this if there were no choice? many women are pressured to abort against their will.


57 posted on 02/11/2007 4:05:25 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Hunter '08)
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To: Afronaut
Forget the /sarc? I see it as a very long shot to deny him the nomination. He has the juice as well as the bread.

I do believe that a Giuliani candidacy could put the Republican Party in the same place as the Democrat Party in 1972 after the McGovern debacle.

58 posted on 02/11/2007 4:05:44 PM PST by don-o (Duncan Hunter for President. Inform yourself. You won't have to hold your nose!)
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To: Beagle8U
Don't stop there, he also put Ruth Buzzy Ginsburg in the same group he likes.

She did make it possible for Roberts and Alito to get confirmed... the "Ginsberg Rule"... ;)

59 posted on 02/11/2007 4:08:09 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
"She did make it possible for Roberts and Alito to get confirmed... the "Ginsberg Rule"... ;)"

What rule is that? That Rudy would appoint another flaming nutball just like her?

No Thanks
60 posted on 02/11/2007 4:19:40 PM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......Ronnie made me DAMN proud of it!)
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To: don-o

me too, the problem: by the time the "electorate" (Republican base)) find out, the elitist will already have 'annointed him' and he will have sucked money from true conservatives that may wish to enter the race..


61 posted on 02/11/2007 4:21:48 PM PST by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: don-o

I'm not quibbling. Maybe you are, but I'm not.

I'm posting a link that directly contradicts the article titled "Giuliani's social views not well know".

I thought that was what freepers did? Research and letting others know when the MSM is not telling the entire truth.


62 posted on 02/11/2007 4:24:01 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: don-o
The subject is that as Rudy's positions become known, he loses support. That per the Gallup poll and also from a post from a Rudy supporter. Everyone I read who looks at Duncan Hunter's positions, pretty much says, "That's what we want."

I find it interesting that so many people didn't know where McCain stood either, that after mounting a serious campaign in 2000. This poll doesn't really mean anything, it's a snapshot of who they would support for the nomination, not who they would support in a general election. And it does not fully inform the voters of Rudy's position on judges that may or many not cause reconsideration, particularly when weighing the complete agenda of the candidates.

63 posted on 02/11/2007 4:24:41 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: Tanniker Smith

Rudy, I respect him too as "America's Mayor", but he isn't the "only one" who could 1)Defeat Hillary et all, 2) Defend America effectively through force of strength, 3) Win the presidency..


64 posted on 02/11/2007 4:24:43 PM PST by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: JSDude1
I dunno. I just heard a replay of Fox News Sunday on the XM radio. At the Roundtable, this matter of Rudy's, uh, unorthodox positions got mentioned.

It's an uphill fight, I know that.

65 posted on 02/11/2007 4:25:56 PM PST by don-o (Duncan Hunter for President. Inform yourself. You won't have to hold your nose!)
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To: don-o

I'll call RINO-rudy whatever I think he DESERVES to be called, and bring up his liberal positions and policies as mayor to illustrate that he has EARNED our CONSERVATIVE wrath and disdain through nobody's fault but his own.


66 posted on 02/11/2007 4:29:09 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: Peach

You posted in #12 that a poll said that 16% of Republicans would not vote for Giuliani, being informed of his views. Gallup puts that number at 18%. My point is the Republican Party loses a big chunk of votes.


67 posted on 02/11/2007 4:32:06 PM PST by don-o (Duncan Hunter for President. Inform yourself. You won't have to hold your nose!)
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To: don-o

I dont' believe he approves either. So why are we debating this?


68 posted on 02/11/2007 4:33:48 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Tanniker Smith
Our security is the top issue right now.

Name a time when national security is NOT the top issue.

69 posted on 02/11/2007 4:34:26 PM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Kate of Spice Island

Because you hijacked the thread?


70 posted on 02/11/2007 4:35:02 PM PST by don-o (Duncan Hunter for President. Inform yourself. You won't have to hold your nose!)
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To: dmw

Frankly, there is a difference between public preaching that is coherent and soneone that is screaming to where one thinks that there is danger from the mere sound of the screaming. Have you ever been frightened by the yelling and screaming and then later seeing that it was someone with a bible?


71 posted on 02/11/2007 4:35:59 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Peach
You posted in #12

Sorry - should be #33

72 posted on 02/11/2007 4:36:32 PM PST by don-o (Duncan Hunter for President. Inform yourself. You won't have to hold your nose!)
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To: don-o
Well...

I guess we will have to see where everyone stands on the various issues. These aren't the only issues.

73 posted on 02/11/2007 4:37:19 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: spunkets
"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it." - Rudy Giuliani

Holy crap. That Orwellian quote should be posted in *every* FR thread on Giuliani.

74 posted on 02/11/2007 4:37:28 PM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
While I personally would never have an abortion for my own moral reasons, I won't impose it on anyone else.

The most infantile pro-abortion argument in history, and it seems to never get old.

75 posted on 02/11/2007 4:39:40 PM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
Have you ever been frightened by the yelling and screaming and then later seeing that it was someone with a bible?

Peel away enough layers, and you virtually always find that someone with "pro-choice" or other liberal views has a controversy with God and/or His people.

76 posted on 02/11/2007 4:40:08 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Sloth

That's right! It's on par with the 'toon's words, "freedom is the ability to pick your rulers", and "people have too much freedom."


77 posted on 02/11/2007 4:40:20 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani)
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To: EternalVigilance
Frankly, I don't see much protection of the weak and defenseless that are already walking and breathing and here to be mocked. Would you like me to round up the thread where some of the self-righteous here were busy bashing the "crazy" population that has an online message board for dating pruposes.

In fact, it was something to mock and crack jokes over.

My point is that there are so many posters here with such hypocritical values that they behave as badly as their poplitical opponents/adversaries and are too myopic to see it.

78 posted on 02/11/2007 4:41:00 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Kate of Spice Island

Oh. So, since you see some sort of problem with your fellow human beings, it's okay to kill babies?

Sorry, that doesn't compute.


79 posted on 02/11/2007 4:43:31 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: EternalVigilance
???

I have no idea what this particular man's political affiliation was, but he was ranting and raving in a manner that caused a high level of distress in me. Others elsewhere haven't come across like someone just cut their big toe off. Frankly, that is the way the man was screaming. When I say screaming, I mean screaming. Like he was stabbed, shot or had a finger or toe removed.

That is not inspiring and makes people turn and run or grab the cell phone to call 911. There was no violence so I didn't bother to dial 911, but it sure sounded like it.

If you want to skew the meaning of my statement to make yourself feel better, knock yourself out.

80 posted on 02/11/2007 4:44:31 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
Frankly, I don't see much protection of the weak and defenseless that are already walking and breathing and here to be mocked.

It still beats being murdered before you were born.

81 posted on 02/11/2007 4:44:54 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: mariabush
And FDR said, "I hate war. Eleanor hates war."

So?

82 posted on 02/11/2007 4:45:52 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Kate of Spice Island

I have no idea what you're talking about. We were discussing abortion and your nonsensical views towards it.


83 posted on 02/11/2007 4:48:11 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: don-o
I noticed the absence in the poll of metrics on the effects of Rudy's stand on gun control. I'm sure this would also have decreased his positives. I am increasingly sensing that Rudy's popularity amongst some Pubs is actually the result of his stances on abortion and self-defense. If this proves to be a significant theme, we may well be headed for a crackup. For my part, I will continue to support the most Conservative candidates until the Primaries are decided, then take another look at the situation. Interesting times...
84 posted on 02/11/2007 4:49:30 PM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: freedomfiter2
There was no choice for his mother and in the end, he became the poster child for why psychological abuse should be criminalized in Arizona. His mother is just as guilty.

If given the choice, she would have had an abortion. Either way, her behavior is pretty much the fast track to hell. It is a shame that both my daughter's dad and his mom can't see what their self-righteous and indignant behaviors are costing others.

Besides, it is probably the same vile men that pressure to have sex in the first place and then assess blame and pressure for abortion.

If morality were taught before procreation, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

85 posted on 02/11/2007 4:51:48 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: don-o
Didn't mean to...

I simply stated my opinion on two of MANY issues.

86 posted on 02/11/2007 4:53:07 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Kate of Spice Island

Adoption has always been a choice. I know that there may be some stigma attached but do we want to live in a world where there's no stigma toward abortion and fornication?


87 posted on 02/11/2007 4:55:24 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Hunter '08)
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To: Sloth
If there were beter moral fiber woven into the children of this country, we wouldn't need a debate on abortion.

I was too young to be a peace, love, dope hippie/liberal of the 60s that spawned the entire debate.

I'd also blame it on their liberal parents, but what's teh point, most are dead.

88 posted on 02/11/2007 4:55:40 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: NittanyLion
It still beats being murdered before you were born.

This can be prevented if most parents will pull their heads out and teach to not have sex before you are married, but I don't see anyone screeching about that.

89 posted on 02/11/2007 4:57:53 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
I think Jesus is just as concerned about all of the abused kids in the world as He is towards those who get their bodies violently dismembered in a very brutal and painful way. You can't cherry pick the issues, nor can you be the decider of what can and cannot be judged, the Word of God does that. Jesus said, "You will know them by their fruits". Isn't that a form of judgment? Not all judgment is wrong, especially when it is used for the purpose of reconciling someone back to Christ.
90 posted on 02/11/2007 4:58:04 PM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: EternalVigilance
Apparently, my view to teach youth to keep their pants on and their skirts down would prevent the need to have a view on abortion one way or another seems to get past you.

You are debating the "effect" without looking at the cause.

91 posted on 02/11/2007 5:00:12 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: freedomfiter2
I firmly agree that adoption is a much better choice and there is a long way to go before we can get to where that is the choice in pro choice. Keep baby or adopt out and skip the roto rooter man. Unfortunately, there are too many foolish women using Mr. Plumber as a form of birth control.

We would really get more mileage out of seeing couples that want to adopt than hearing the debate over abortion.

92 posted on 02/11/2007 5:04:15 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Kate of Spice Island

We weren't talking about the cause. We were talking about your leftwing position vis a vis abortion.


93 posted on 02/11/2007 5:04:21 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: TitansAFC
43% Of Republicans, when informed of his views, are unlikely to support him or just rule out his candidacy entirely.

That is a lie, but I'd expect that from you. The actual info in the article:

'Less likely' is far different from 'unlikely', especially when only 4 options are given regarding their responses. Not all voters are single-issue ones, and Giuliani blows McCain away in the polls regarding leadership, who is the strongest leader, and who is most likely to beat the Dem in the general election (55% to 38%, the closest of those categories.)

94 posted on 02/11/2007 5:04:24 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (Rudy Giuliani-Joe Dyton in '08!)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
This can be prevented if most parents will pull their heads out and teach to not have sex before you are married, but I don't see anyone screeching about that.

With all due respect, the subject we were discussing is your refusal to make abortion illegal. Abstinence education, while important, is a needless attempt to shift the focus away from your original claim. You still haven't answered my question: why is it within government's purview to outlaw murder but not abortion?

95 posted on 02/11/2007 5:04:47 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Kate of Spice Island
but I don't see anyone screeching about that.

The only one I see "screeching" here is you.

96 posted on 02/11/2007 5:05:25 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: don-o
Once informed of Giuliani's positions, a sizable minority of Republicans say they would reconsider their support for the otherwise popular and well-respected Republican luminary.

Once informed of Giuliani's positions, a sizable minority of Republicans say they would reconsider their support for the otherwise popular and well-respected Republican luminary.

Once informed of Giuliani's positions, a sizable minority of Republicans say they would reconsider their support for the otherwise popular and well-respected Republican luminary.

Once informed of Giuliani's positions, a sizable minority of Republicans say they would reconsider their support for the otherwise popular and well-respected Republican luminary.

Once informed of Giuliani's positions, a sizable minority of Republicans say they would reconsider their support for the otherwise popular and well-respected Republican luminary.

One cannot repeat this enough. The Dems certainly will if Rudy is nominated.

97 posted on 02/11/2007 5:09:16 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: dmw
I, personally, cannot reconcile EVERYONE back to Christ. For my personal sanity, I deal with what I can on a day to day basis and choose to not get my intestines in a knot over all of the ones I cannot change.

What I do know is that abortion is not the ONLY issue when choosing a candidate. OTOH, I also think that we need to clean up our act here if we are to set an example for other countries. By focusing on better ways of solving the problems, the end result comes faster. If there were more advocacy for adoption instead of whether or not an abortion is legal, maybe women would be more inclined to follow Christ's way instead of focusing on themselves.

98 posted on 02/11/2007 5:09:19 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Sarah
but the reality is he lowered abortions by making options available.

During Rudy's tenure, abortions declined at roughly half the national percentage decline.

99 posted on 02/11/2007 5:10:06 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Peach
Indeed, in one recent poll, majorities of Republicans who were informed of Giuliani’s views on social issues said that they were either minor issues or no issues at all; only 16% said that they wouldn't vote for him after being informed of these views.

Think the GOP can win in 2008 by forsaking 16 percent of the base?

100 posted on 02/11/2007 5:11:24 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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