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1 posted on 02/16/2007 5:11:48 AM PST by carolgr
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Heard the other day that the reason the devil doesn't oppose these feel good churches is because they are doing nothing to threaten his cause. They continue to flourish and most of the folks are merrily on their way to Hell.
Shame on these pastors.


2 posted on 02/16/2007 5:17:40 AM PST by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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Many Christians fail to understand or recognize the new disrespect towards their religious beliefs by vocal atheistic groups.

Not true. We know who the Democrats are and what they stand for.

3 posted on 02/16/2007 5:26:03 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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Image hosted by Photobucket.com good Churches don't make good people... good people make good Churches.
4 posted on 02/16/2007 5:31:22 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: carolgr

Mack Lyon, the broadcaster preacher in the program, "In Search of the Lord's Way", had a series of programs on this very subject during 2000 or so.

The transcripts of his series are regrettably off-line. You can obtain a pamphlet copy of those sermons on this subject, however. Surf on over to http://searchtv.org/ and drop the good folks on his staff an email. Ask them for a copy of the booklet, "Holy and Reverend is His Name."

I've worn out a copy of it, and handed out some copies to "holy roller" types. Pity they tend not to pay attention to it.

Oh, yes, no charge for the pamphlet, either. Quoting directly from the website: "It is our FIRM policy to make no solicitations for money or to sell anything on the air. We are funded by local churches of Christ who sponsor the broadcast in their areas."

Have a nice day.


6 posted on 02/16/2007 5:32:41 AM PST by Sam_Damon
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Has the Sunday morning worship in some churches ...

Do many services ...

This handwringing about what some churches are doing always amazes me. What are there, maybe a million churches in the country? Two million? I guess "some" or "many" could apply to the frequency of just about any vice one cares to mention.

How about this: Don't worry about what "some" or "many" churches are doing, worry about your own church.

I can't help thinking about the histrionics when 5 churches last year decided not to have service on Christmas day, while the other 1,999,995 churches had service as normal. You'd have thought the world was about to end.

7 posted on 02/16/2007 5:41:07 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: carolgr; xzins; P-Marlowe
This rant is utterly devoid of content.

Has the Sunday morning worship in some churches become an exclusively predictable feel-good entertainment experience?

what happens in "some churches" is by no means representative of Christianity in a country as diverse as the United States. No two chuches are identical, even if they are in the same organization or are the same size.

Do many services begin with good music

Should they begin with bad music?

and a brief feel-good scripture passage

Most churches that do Scripture readings follow a lectionary. Those aren't "feel-good."

followed with a honey-coated three point feel-good fluff sermon, catered by the preacher, that is totally devoid of the anti-God issues that we face in our lives, community and nation as a body of Bible believing Christians?

Impossible to define. "Devoid of the anti-God issues" may indeed mean (and probably does) that the preacher simply doesn't adddress the writer's pet causes. Furthermore, there is nothing wrong with eloquence nor "three-point" sermons. Structure and eloquence should be valued, not belittled.

If Americans respected God today, as they should, they wouldn’t distance themselves from God’s word.

And they do this how?

They wouldn’t be using their tax dollars to pay teachers to indoctrinate their children into Darwin’s atheistic evolution rather then God as Creator.

So now it comes to brass tacks - the writer's pet issue is evolution. Never mind that Darwin has nothing to say for or against atheism, but only predicts that life changes over time - a fact that has been quantifiably observed. There are no small number of Christians - including the late John Paul II - who saw no contradiction between Christianity and evolution. St. Augustine forcefully argued that the creation narratives in Gen. 1-2 were allegorical, not literal. Who are you, and who am I, if St. Augustine couldn't figure this all out, to presume that we have our stuff all together? Arrogance.

Many Christians fail to understand or recognize the new disrespect towards their religious beliefs by vocal atheistic groups. As we stare directly into the sinister eyes of the face of evil, which fully intends to totally destroy our faith, our Godly values and the Godly traditional soul of our nation...

Oh, please. It's neither new nor especially sinister. Atheism is no more strident nor threatening than it ever was. Nor is atheism our biggest threat as Christians - secular post-modernism is.

we do not owe this darkness any civility.

Oh, really?

6 Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.
- Col. 4:6
And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth.
- 2Ti. 2:24-25

Satan is quickening, expanding and politicizing his agenda in order to melt down his manifest godless ideology into his new godless culture for his new godless nation....

10 posted on 02/16/2007 5:46:10 AM PST by jude24
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Satan is quickening, expanding and politicizing his agenda in order to melt down his manifest godless ideology into his new godless culture for his new godless nation....

Blame Satan for everything. Right.

11 posted on 02/16/2007 5:46:53 AM PST by jude24
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Toward the end of his article he writes:

Another glaring example of recent church doctrine abandonment is reflected in the heresy charges brought against Chicago United Methodist Bishop C. Joseph Sprague. He stated in 2002 that Jesus Christ is not the only way to salvation, Christ’s sacrificial death on the cross was not necessarily the substitution or atonement for mankind’s sins, that the virgin birth was just a myth and not historical fact and that he couldn’t affirm that there was a physical resuscitation of Christ’s body.

***

Universalism, that there are many ways and roads to God, I think will be and basically already is the End Times Ecumenical religion. It will be (already is) sanctioned by the leaders of the world and those who say there is only one way to God through Jesus Christ, one name that must be called upon, one door - they will be silenced. This apostate religion will reign in the antichrist and set the stage for him. Christians need to get out of these apostate churches quick! We are in the last days, last minutes - and these apostate churches are encouraging true believers to compromise in so many ways.

Good works do not save, do not merit salvation, only Jesus Christ saves and He is the only door, only way, only salvation and all those who say otherwise are deceived and do not have the truth. Come out from them quick - their lies and deception will lead to the death of so many!
12 posted on 02/16/2007 6:01:46 AM PST by Esther Ruth
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Free will is a terrible thing to waste.. > In our parish weekly bulletin someone has taken out a paid advertisement that reads " CHOOSE LIFE Pray for the overturning ROE vs. Wade
America's terrorism against the most innocent "
...the name of the couple who placed ad appears below it... See if your church will take such an the ad. That should speak volumes.
btw ..pastor is not timid to address the moral issues in this church.

imho.. Many bishops are failing..position more political then sacred
15 posted on 02/16/2007 6:29:01 AM PST by heavy9
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If Americans respected God today, as they should, they wouldn’t distance themselves from God’s word.

I couldn't help but notice that his rant here is filled with conservative political opinions and compeletly devoid of any scripture references.

Just an observation.

17 posted on 02/16/2007 6:35:55 AM PST by P-Marlowe (What happened to my tagline?)
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To: carolgr
"Church" is such a broad term anymore and has strayed away from the biblical definition. There are a lot of people meeting in "churches". There are drastically less that are actually the bride of Christ. I don't consider a lesbian methodist minister to really be leading a church service. Religious service maybe.

The good news where I live is that there are several congregations like the one I am part of, that are growing. Mainly from families leaving the prosperity, feel-good, mega churches, in search of a deeper commitment to serving God.
18 posted on 02/16/2007 6:48:13 AM PST by okkev68
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Hey, we all die, it's just matter of time. There are many ways to go to Hell and only One way to Heaven. Where will your mail be forwarded?


19 posted on 02/16/2007 6:53:58 AM PST by rusureitflies? (OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD! There, I said it. Prove me wrong.)
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