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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: 68 grunt

Here's an idea. Show us some of JR's quotes that support your position. That should even it out nicely.


341 posted on 02/28/2007 11:40:17 AM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: woofie

I have a cool kitchen!


342 posted on 02/28/2007 11:40:36 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: 68 grunt

Troll, you must be posting from a dark room or a cave, since it's daylight outside and you still haven't turned to stone.


343 posted on 02/28/2007 11:40:50 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: DreamsofPolycarp
am I the ONLY one who thinks FR is overrun with a bunch of brittle hate filled strident moralists?

No. But then, I'm a sinner, so my opinion doesn't mean much.

344 posted on 02/28/2007 11:41:08 AM PST by auboy
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Either way it's still irrelevant.

People MAKE themselves irrelevant; and I'd die before I'd hand this country over to the Democrats.

345 posted on 02/28/2007 11:41:38 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: NinoFan
You really need to expand that vocabulary.

No, a message needs to be repeated to be understood. Its seems that you haven't clued in yet.

346 posted on 02/28/2007 11:41:54 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: youngjim
I haven't read his posts on this thread, but if he's objecting to the Republican party suddenly flip flopping and actually supporting abortion rights, gay rights, gun control, global warming, McCain-Feingold, illegal immigration, etc, then he's on the same wave link as me and millions of other conservatives. I object!
347 posted on 02/28/2007 11:42:00 AM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: EternalVigilance; 68 grunt
Troll, you must be posting from a dark room or a cave, since it's daylight outside and you still haven't turned to stone.

That's a myth, E.V.

Your mom just tells you that to keep you in the basement.

348 posted on 02/28/2007 11:42:44 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (Al Gore needs to reduce his carbon butt-print.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Curiously, for someone choosing your nickname, you must be asleep at the switch.

Your type of nastiness can only split the party and help Hitlary get elected.

349 posted on 02/28/2007 11:42:49 AM PST by Al Simmons (Holocaust-deniers and other anti-semites are the lowest forms of humanity.)
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To: Howlin
...I'd die before I'd hand this country over to the Democrats.

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

350 posted on 02/28/2007 11:43:12 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Compromising is reality, a trait you haven't recognized in years.

And you really suck when you imply that people who are willing to compromise to help this country want to kill babies.

I mean REALLY suck.


351 posted on 02/28/2007 11:43:19 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Al Simmons

"Interestingly, a nephew of his got word of my nic, joined FR for a day and castigated me for being a conservative anti-semitic (see my tagline below!!) homophobic right-wing hater."

I've always loved the claim that right-wingers are somehow anti-Semitic. It's news to me. Considering how much the Left hates Israel and rants about the "jewish lobby" and the "jewish conspiracy", it's quite amusing actually.


352 posted on 02/28/2007 11:43:25 AM PST by NinoFan
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To: BykrBayb
... Show us some of JR's quotes that support your position. ...,/i>

Go Duncan Hunter!

353 posted on 02/28/2007 11:43:34 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: EternalVigilance
You said WHAT you are for, but never answered my question of WHO are you For?

Is there a single candidate who meets all your criteria AND has a chance of winning this crucial election? If so, I'd like a name.

354 posted on 02/28/2007 11:43:58 AM PST by Carolinamom (Whatever you voted for, you did not vote for failure -- President Bush SOTU)
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To: NinoFan
... right-wingers are somehow anti-Semitic. ...

Only the whackjobs ...

355 posted on 02/28/2007 11:44:21 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Howlin

You may as well grab the forceps yourself, howlin. Blood on your hands.


356 posted on 02/28/2007 11:44:31 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (RINO = Rudy Is Not Ours!)
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To: NinoFan
The rest, however, have given us no reason to think that they wouldn't be as good or better than Rudy. I do NOT believe that Rudy is some great war leader, as he has no experience in the area. Cleaning up after a terrorist attack does not equal foreign policy experience. There's no real reason for me to support him on that front.

You are wrong about that. Rudy was tested on 9/11. He can be trusted to handle the WOT. And you are wrong about foreign policy experience. Check out his travels in the last 5 years. He is considered a very respectable leader by our allies.

357 posted on 02/28/2007 11:44:42 AM PST by Rex Anderson
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To: BigSkyFreeper

So HE says; everybody who believes him, raise your hand.


358 posted on 02/28/2007 11:45:01 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

So HE says; everybody who believes him, raise your hand.


359 posted on 02/28/2007 11:45:02 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: 68 grunt

I rather enjoyed his "Go Rooty" posts last night. That was fun!


360 posted on 02/28/2007 11:45:47 AM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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