Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
Well. That was crass, wasn't it?
The word you want is ensure, not insure. You can't take out a policy on such things.
In spite of your strong tone, i fail to agree with your ill-informed, useless little point of view, and I fail to see how going so negative on people will get them to stop going negative on others.
As if he needs your phoney prayers, you hypocrite.
Well, I also happen to agree with JR. I've quoted him a few times too. Is that alright, as long as I'm not a "fifth columnist?" Or do you see some imperfection in me that disqualifies me from agreeing with JR?
It seems some faction has done it's best to change the definition and distort Reagan's record and the party in the process.
I'm not a big Rudy fan, but he is not very much more liberal then Reagan was. On the law and order side, he is probably more conservative. His record is largely as the Mayor of NYC, and certainly will not reflect a hard right Conservative outlook regarding guns and social crap. (Yes, I said crap) NYC is not the place for social conservatism and has not been for a hundred years. Never will be.
Dismissing him as a liberal is just plain nonsense. The traditional Republican platform is a comfortable place for him. If you knew what a Republican is, you would know this.
The problem is that the RNC is under attack by the social conservatives, and they are a minority. It is also under attack by the libertine populists and both maintain that they are the true conservatives and define the Republican party, when neither one actually does.
The party is for limited government, personal freedoms, and a very strong national defense and law and order. It has been so for decades.
Social Conservatism has never been the model, and personal freedom beliefs have always trumped this until recently.
This is why folks like myself are able to point at "Shiavo" as being the straw that broke the camels back. This occurred because so much of the traditional platform was stomped on in order to usurp a State Judicial System in the name of conservatism, which is a huge lie and distortion of the truth. What you saw was populism justified by moralism and supported by idiots, many of which are now politically retired.. But....The damage was done and it has accelerated.
Until we fix this, by returning to our roots, this party will remain in shambles. What you are seeing is a power struggle for control that is destroying the political coalition, and this is being egged on by the democrats who know exactly what they are doing.
I'm guessing that many will finally figure this out when they count the bodies in mid November 2008. This party cannot function as separate entities. It has always been a coalition, and yes, there has always been compromises made.
The answer is simple. You take the unappeasables, and you kick them to the curb. You replace them with new meat from the other party and you soldier on.
Have a nice day........
You sir, are truly despicable. This man you call a troll is a veteran. You are nothing but an offensive and cowardly toady hiding behind Jim Robinson's posts. You have no decency and I'm ashamed to be associated with the likes of you.
Mr. Robinson, if you are indeed listening, I must protest, sir. If you continue allow this obnoxious internecine gamesmanship you will destroy everything you have worked for these last dozen years.
No way; he gets in before the primaries; he must be out of money from Illinois by now, don't you think?
Yes, my friend; he's going to SAVE a party he doesn't even belong to..........ROFLMAO.
How about 'assure', EVie? Fifth columnist scum will pay for a FReeper insurance policy to pay their dividends in demonrat victory. Thats insurance, and they entend to ensure with assurance, that their policy pays off.
The "and has a chance of winning" part is the poison pill the RINOs use to tank any legitimate conservative candidate. However, we all know anyone has a chance of winning, and the only conservatve Republican to hold the presidency in the last 30 years is also the only Republican in that time to win overwhelmingly.
AMEN!!!!
I'm sure he's got a little war chest. I'm sure he's had some side ventures since his run for the Senate.
Perfectly logical way to win this election. I like the way you think, CH!
Isn't that the point?
Well, yes, I think your particular form of zeal is counter-productive and that you also desire conflict, as demonstrated by your willingness to butt in now and make this your affair. I don't think you've really got the gray matter to be a fifth columnist, but you certainly have been their useful tool.
Call me all the names you want, but if he gets the nomination, I'm voting for him.
If your house was burning down, the last thing you'd want to be doing is going around straightening the pictures on the wall.
Excuse me, but the fifth column disruptors are the liberals who infest this forum and promote candidates who stand for just about everything that this forum stands AGAINST. (See Rudy Giuliani). The fifth column disruptors are those who promote liberal candidates whose positions are in opposition to the majority of the Republican Party Platform.
LOL!
You can go off the cliff with your abortion rants, but it won't have anything to do with this election.
For you to infer that those of us who don't think that is the number one issue in the coming election are liberal traitors is a salacious lie, but coming from you, nobody is surprised.
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