Skip to comments.One of 10 draftees still in Army retires
Posted on 03/29/2007 3:05:36 PM PDT by Rodney King
One of 10 draftees still in Army retires by By The Associated Press Print Story Email Story FORT BLISS, Texas -- Robert Rangel was a college student trying to "fly below the radar" when his draft number came up in 1967.
"I got caught," he said with a wide smile.
Caught, as it turns out, for 40 years.
Chief Warrant Officer Rangel was one of just 10 draftees still in the Army when he retired Wednesday, according to Fort Bliss officials. It was unclear whether the other draftees have served as long as Rangel; the draft ended in 1973.
Rangel, of El Paso, said the prospect of being drafted was terrifying after watching numerous friends "coming home in coffins."
But he opted to stay well beyond the required two-year hitch because "I started enjoying my job and the people I worked with."
He's been deployed to nine combat zones, from Vietnam to the Persian Gulf. Maj. Gen. Robert Lennox, the Fort Bliss commanding general, described Rangel as the "foremost expert" on air defense systems at the West Texas post, the current home of the Air Defense Artillery Center.
Michael Zaborowski, a retired lieutenant colonel who has known Rangel for more than a decade, said he has long been impressed by his dedication. "I did 20 years and I thought that was a lot," he said.
Rangel retired a few months before his 62nd birthday, when he would have been forced to do so under Army regulations.
His mother, who attended his retirement ceremony, was relieved the day had finally come. "That was a long time that I worried," Adelina Rangel said softly.
Rangel's years in the Army included more than 200 parachute jumps with a special forces unit in Vietnam and Cambodia, time in battle zones, a firsthand view of the crumbling of the Berlin Wall and a tour in the first Gulf War.
Now his priority is to take care of his mom and tackle some projects.
Tops on the list is restoring a 1964 Plymouth Sport Fury. He parked it in his mom's barn when he went off to basic training.
Don't dish if if you can't take it.
At least now you know a person could volunteer for the draft back then. Nothin' funny about it.
I was a two year RA, no choices of course. But the best plans of mice and men go astray :^(
If you only agreed to the two years you took what they gave you based on your test scores..
That I remember,,Never knew the scores but had talked to dudes that had 2 yr tours..I don't remember voluntering for the draft..
When I was in the USMC in 1971, they were RIFing officers left and right, too. My boss had three different ranks in one day. They RIFed him from Captain to W-2 and promoted hime to W-3. He sure hated to give up those railroad tracks.
BTW, I was a draftee myself. Yes, into the Marine Corps. Later served 13 years with the Army National Guard. I might even be in to this day if they had wanted old fat bastards like me back in '92.
Had to have it due to the Shipboard Radar??
As funny as it may sound it was very possible to "volunteer" for the draft. I know. I did it.
For most young men at the time you registered for the draft at 18, got your draft card, and waited.
Or you went to college (or some other qualifying school) and got a 2S deferment.
Or you visited your friendly recruiter and volunteered.
Or you called your local draft board, as I did, and asked them to send you a draft notice. I had mine in a matter of days and two weeks later was a "US" with a two year commitment like all the other draftees (unlike volunteers who were RAs with 3 and 4 year obligations).
you make me curious now .... what year was that?
I've tried to tell 'em Colonel. What did you do during that two years to switch over?
Don't dish if if you can't take it. What does that mean..?
You never could volunter to be DRAFTED..Draft is involuntary..
Wake up and read the thread, rookie.
Tell me that to my face.!!I'll gladly shake your hand..
Hubba Hubba, gotta give it up for the Sun City...
Man do I miss the Cattlemen's out in Fabens and the State Line out on...well, the State Line!
Naw, I was an Aviation Electrician...
First you tell me to kiss you lily white ass and now you want to shake my hand. Make up your mind.
My last 22yrs. with the Gov. was at Rucker working on the Sims..But electronics is electronics..,,, an electron can only flow one way unless unconventional electronics is taught,, which was thrown at us...
My Dad retired a CW4 after 22 years of service. The way he explained the commissions is Warrent Officers are commissioned by the Sec Def while Commissioned Officers are commissoned by the POTUS.
During the draft, there was no college requirement to qualify for OCS. You just had to pass the aptitude test, the physical and a very brief psychological evaluation. Now, however, most OCS applicants must have a college degree although some exceptions are made for enlisted personnel who have otherwise distinguished themselves.
If you got through the 6-month OCS (which had a very high drop out rate, often 50% or more) you received a "commission" as an officer in the US Army.
A "commission" (as opposed to a "Warrant") has a very specific connotation. It is issued on behalf of the President of the United States and conveys to the "commissioned" officer certain rights and priviledges which the "warrant" officer does not receive.
CW3s and above though still called Warrant Officers are officially Commissioned officers under the new rules. 2LTs find out in a hurry that crossing a CW3 or higher is the dumbest and most painfull of actions in what could be a VERRRRRRRRyyyyy shortened tour of service. Not only will they get their butts chewed on "with all due respect SIR!" but CW3s and up usually have the General's ear.
Forget it ... Must have ticked you off...Not worth it...!Have a good life..
I haven't heard that. 'course I haven't stayed up with the Army Times for years.
I was Air Force....The only WO I can recall ever seeing was at Sheppard AFB, TX. The WO conducted the "Band of the OilBelt."
If you saw that you witnessed something that probably no one else on the face of the earth has seen. Lucky you!!~
You know I think I've met some of those,,ain't got enough patience for that,,it's a weakness..But you got it right..
The warrant grades are considered by some to be the sweetest spot in the Army. The warrant grades, W-1 thru W-4, are indeed between the enlisted and commissioned ranks. However, I believe they have most of the privelages of commissioned officers. As an enlisted man, I seem to recall having to salute them. They are addressed as "Mr." as I recall. They are typically utilized for technical or specialized skills and is a means of providing recognition and compensation for these skills. I am not sure as it has been a long time since I was in the army but I seem to recall that a W-4 is compensated about the same as a major. I am sure that there is an FR'er out there with the definitive scoop.
You are right - it ain't worth the trouble.
And it kills my buzz.
I would say about 70 other soldiers saw it, and about 13 of us who heard some of what was being said. Also I do not believe the General was RA but rather NG as he looked pretty sloppy(no offence to NG's here, I was one for a little while too)
Yea,mine also,almost went out and kicked my dog..But he would'nt understand..Have a good one..
CW-2 through CW-5 are commissioned ranks.
What are you having a discourse with this jackass for....he wasn't there...claims he has been at Mother Rucker as a civilian puke for 22 years... Get his address...I bet both of us can find someone to go over and pi$$ on his leg because it's obvious he will think it's raining outside!!
No, they are not. I will add a caveat in that that was the status as of 1987. My father retired CWO-4 Cobra pilot without a commision (he refused it, interesting reasons).
After that are the Warrant Officers.
Confused draftee and old school army bump.
No need to apologize for legitimate questions. I spent 3 years Army and to this day can't figure out what WO's are good for. To be more specific, the only ones I'm familiar with are chopper pilots so why aren't they just plain officers?
Being in the Air Force, I had never dealt with Warrant Officers. I deployed with a Joint Task Force as a Major. The JTF was mostly Army folks. I met a W2 who had his Bachelor's Degree. I asked him why he didn't become an officer. He told me, with a very serious face, that he had never met an officer who wasn't a meat head and he wasn't going to become a meat head.
Looks like the dudes saying,,Opinion,opinion,you mean I don't have a opini,,,now it's IMHO..,,wonder if that's where it started...?
The Navy has Limited Duty Officers (LDOs) that don't have college degrees. My BIL went from E-7 to O-1 that way.
Ain't that the truth!!
A Chief Petty Officer is an E-7, Senior Chief Petty Officer and E-8 and Master Chief Petty Officer is an E-9. They are the top three enlisted ranks in the Navy and Coast Guard. They rank below Warrant Officers.
In my entire career I only came across one AF Warrant Officer on active duty. I was going through tech school at Chanute and he was in charge of the school.
And Centurion2000 replied
You needed 60 hours of college to get into the warrant program
Hmmm... I was drafted in June of 1970. Three weeks into basic training (after we'd been tested, etc.), I was sent to an orientation/recruitment for warrant officer flight training (helicopters). I had NO college at the time, just a high school graduate, but that didn't seem to matter.
They said after training (about a year), I'd have to re-up for a minimum of two years. I would have had at least three years' in at the minimum.
I turned them down. A draftee in his third week of basic training is NOT thinking of extending his enlistment.
Although, with years gone by in hindsight, sometimes I wish I'd taken them up on it....
Warrant Officers have the best of both worlds.
They're officers without so many personnel responsibilities.
I was a brat not in service. My Dad prodded due to money, but it was Carter era and I think even he was relieved when I paid my own freight in school rather than put up with what he did.
I will never forget the deference paid to many NCOs by the officers in the 82nd. At first I did not understand, but watching them work and seeing how the troops treated them I realized that the Army had one grade and men had another.
In my day E-7s ate O-1s for breakfast. Was he able to advance as an officer?
As funny as it may sound it was very possible to "volunteer" for the draft. I know. I did it.
I did it too, as did someone else I knew. The only thing different was that I was in college and I had a student deferment, so I had to go in to my Draft Board and sign a "Waiver of Deferment". Then, with the deferment signed, I simply became another 19 year old with no deferment. I asked them to induct me ASAP (I was afraid the war would be over before I got there [who knew?], but they made me wait 2 months). I was inducted. My serial number started with "US", I had no MOS choices, and I did two years. No one, other than the Draft Board knew, unless I told them.
That was a black day indeed!
He was a Chief Warrant Officer.
There are five grades of Warrant Officer in the Army. The first is a WO1 or Warrant Officer One. Then it is Chief Warrant Officer (CWO) 2, 3, 4, and 5. They wear a silver bar with a small black square on the bar. One for one, two for a CW2, etc., etc. This guy had to be a CW5. Otherwise, he would probably not have been around this long.
I'm sure that man was an institution wherever he went.
Yes, my BIL wasn't sure that he wanted to take the "demotion" form Chief to Ensign. ;)
Was he able to advance as an officer?
He is an LT (O-3) now.
Redirect your fire Soldier. I have known what a Warrant Ofc is since my first Huey ride.
Chill jar. It was meant as info to the other poster.