Posted on 04/04/2007 6:11:50 PM PDT by FairOpinion
...the debate on the existence of global warming "is almost unnecessary ... because we should be dealing with pollution anyway."
Certainly we should use technology to design stuff and engage in activity that has minimal pollution impact.
Neither liberals nor conservatives prefer to see their air before breathing it.
This thread is about energy independence.
Please point out which part of RG’s stance on energy independence you disagree with and why.
There’s really nothing for me to comment on, as I don’t disagree. More nuclear power? Yes. Drilling offshore? Yes.
Not enough to offset his other faults, however, of which there are many.
I was just replying to your one particular post that dealt with Rudy’s stance on abortion.
Rudy bump.
Failed "Interpersonal Relations 101" in college, eh?
In case you haven’t noticed, this thread is about energy independence, not Rudy. sarc.
Rudy supports Global Warming? Hmm...must be a very small group. Just how does one support global warming?
Indeed, why not? The poster's original objectionable comment reminds me of someone who posted to me on FR that Rudy should sign copies of his "Leadership" book with aborted baby's blood. If this was a cocktail party, and someone made such an offensive comment to me, I'd consider it highly boorish behavior and just walk away.
Looks like someone’s going to have four (at least) bad years in store!
Comprehensive reform really is needed. Deregulation and expansion of nuclear energy, freer license to extract natural resources, AND research into renewable energy, high density energy storage, higher fidelity energy transmission, and safer radioactive waste disposal (not for global warming BS or to save owls/trees/mosses/rare beetles, but in the hopes of mitigating the asinine diplomatic games played with Islamic theocratic thugs and tinpot dictators elsewhere, as well as, in the longer term, increasing the competitiveness of domestic industry by reducing energy costs).
This idea by Rudy is right on. We should leave no stone unturned when it comes to exploring and utilizing our own resources. This goes for the coasts of Florida, the coast of California, and the entire state of Alaska. Not utilizing our own resources is the equivalent of a thirsty man refusing to drink water from his own well. I hope Rudy does run on this. It has never been tested, so afraid are we of the dems.
Thanks for the ping.
As a Duncan Hunter supporter I am choosing not to engage in debate on this Rudy Giuliani thread on Free Republic. As a freeper I am disappointed that there are fans of a liberal presidential candidate trying to push socially liberal views on this socially conservative forum. In particular, I have noticed that the Rudy G fans do not answer posts questioning the qualitative substance of their candidate, or the posts are met merely with insults. And in short, I have noticed that rudy followers are simply rude.
Hildebeast is eminently beatable, this nonsense about rudy being the only one who can beat her is horse manure and impolite on this socon forum. For example, this article:
“Long Shot GOP Candidate Brownback Just Five Points Behind Clinton”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1798666/posts
We know that it simply means it’s very early in the race and that even no-name candidates are only 5 points behind Clinton. So the rudybots should stop supporting a social liberal on this social conservative forum and pick a real winner, rather than a ridiculous loser liberal like rudy.
The 2 polls on Free Republic put forth an obvious SOCON (only Hunter fits that description given) versus a SOLIB (it certainly fits rudy).
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=171
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=172
Rudy splits the base.
I have noticed time and again that rudy supporters rudely send up the false dilemma of “who would you vote for, Hildebeast or Rudy”. This particularly impolite at this early of a point in the primary cycle. Since this is a socon forum (not even a GOP forum), it is very impolite to ask double-bind questions, especially this early in the race.
Since team rudy is so fond of its own false dilemma, I would expect them to answer this false dilemma.
My contention: If rudy gets the nomination, he splits the base, possibly splits the republican party, and loses the election.
Rudy followers’ contention: If Hunter gets it, he wins the base and loses the election.
Hypothetical to answer the rudy followers’ hypothetical. Both sides losing to Hillary.
Side A: The solib republican splits the base. The MSM turns on him the moment he is nominated. Hillary wins. Republican party is split.
Side B: The socon republican wins the nomination, loses to hildebeast in a tough fight. Republicans are united against the hillary presidency.
Which candidate is best for the republican party, Side A or Side B?
Win-Win false dilemma:
Side A: Solib wins presidency by ignoring the socon base and permanently splitting the republican party.
Side B: SoCon wins presidency by (obviously) relying on the socon base.
Which candidate is best for the republican party, Side A or Side B?
Regardless of who wins or loses, Free Republic and the republican party is better off with Duncan Hunter than Rudy as the candidate. This social liberal candidate is simply not healthy for the republican party nor for FR. And rudy followers are proving to be very impolite freepers.
Duncan Hunter’s campaign website
http://www.gohunter08.com/
Sam Hunter: Duncan Hunter’s Ambassador to Free Republic
3/13/2007
Posted on 03/13/2007 10:11:39 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1800187/posts
Sam has been answering questions, unlike the crickets we hear on rudy threads.
Statement of Jim Robinson, Founder of Free Republic:
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That’s why socons are signing petitions such as this one:
http://theconservativedeclaration.wordpress.com/
Conservatives:
Rudy Giuliani is an unacceptable Republican nominee for President of the United States. He is pro-abortion, pro-partial birth abortion, pro-registration of handguns, and pro-homosexual rights. He is the most liberal Republican candidate for President in our nation’s history.
Conservatives should leave no doubt that we will not support his candidacy under any circumstances. Therefore, we have created the Conservative Declaration of Independence to publicly state our position regarding the Republican Party’s consideration of a liberal as our Presidential nominee.
Please email theconservativedeclaration@hotmail.com to add your name to the list of signers.
Article II Supporting Evidence
Rudolf Giuliani explaining his liberal views:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM
Rudolf Giuliani explaining his position on abortion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALDfwXIYUX0
Rudolf Giuliani dressed as female:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8
Interview with gay couple Rudolf Giuliani lived with when Sept 11th occurred:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1589/is_2001_Sept_11/ai_78265968
Ban on Partial Birth Abortions:
“No, I do not support that (a ban on partial birth abortion), and I do not see my position on that changing.”
Abortion:
“There must be public funding of abortion for poor women. We cannot deny any woman the right to make her own decision about abortion because she lacks resources. I have also stated that I disagree with President’s Bush’s veto for public funding of abortion.”
Immigration:
“There is not a Mayor or Public Official in this country who is more pro-immigrant than I am.”
Gun Control:
“I am in favor of gun control”
“You know I am in favor of that (registration of all hand guns)”
Gay Rights:
”I support domestic partnership legislation and I signed it.”
Free Speech:
“I am a big supporter of McCain-Feingold and have been for a long time”
Party Loyalty:
”Frankly, I would like to run on all the lines. The liberal line, the conservative line, I would like to run on the Democratic line if I could figure out how to do it.”
“In case you haven’t noticed, this thread is about energy independence, not Rudy. sarc.”
I can’t even say “nice try” — it’s more like a pathetic try.
It’s about Rudy’s stance on energy independence and that he had the courage to come out and support offshore drilling and nuclear energy.
Go Rudy!
He is also scaring the Dems, which is a good thing.
Giuliani Puts Democrats On Defensive
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1812252/posts
“You have to be on offense against terrorists,” Giuliani told the crowd. “Before Sept. 11, we were playing defense.”
If a Democrat wins the election, “we’ll be right back playing defense because that’s what the Democrats are doing,” he said.
I wish someone would have promoted these issues years ago. Way to go, Rudy!
I think Rudy’s time has come — we need someone non-PC who is not afraid to do the right thing and is effective.
As much as I agree with Rudy, it won’t happen. The senate is...well, not respectable.
I was just watching Olliver North on H&C and he said that as long as we are dependent on ME oil, we are at their mercy. That’s why it’s critical to become independent NOW, not 100 years from now, if, when, possibly, maybe some of the alternative energies become viable. Once we are independent, the ME can’t hold us hostage over oil — energy independence is critical for national security.
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