Posted on 04/11/2007 11:31:19 AM PDT by murron
WASHINGTON - A U.S. military commander has determined that Marines accused of killing civilians after a suicide bombing in Afghanistan last month used excessive force, and he has referred the case for possible criminal inquiry, The Associated Press has learned. (Excerpt) http://www.yahoo.com/s/554327
This crap has gotten completly out of hand.
With the leprous silver cities
Where the dumb priests dance and nod,
But not with the three windows
And the last name of God.””
They are firing, we are falling, and the red skies rend and shiver us,
Barbara, Barbara, we may not loose a breath -
Be at the bursting doors of doom, and in the dark deliver us,
Who loosen the last window on the sun of sudden death.
“Barbara the beautiful
Stood up as queen set free,
Whose mouth is set to a terrible cup
And the trumpet of liberty.
“I have looked forth from a window
That no man now shall bar,
Caesar’s toppling battle-towers
Shall never stretch so far.
The slaves are dancing in their chains,
The child laughs at the rod,
Because of the bird of the three wings,
And the third face of God.”
The sword upon his shoulder
Shifted and shone and fell,
And Barbara lay very small
And crumpled like a shell.”
What wall upon what hinges turned stands open like a door?
Too simple for the sight of faith, too huge for human eyes,
What light upon what ancient way shines to a far-off floor.
The line of the lost land of France or the plains of Paradise?
“Caesar smiled above the gods
His lip of stone was curled,
His iron armies wound like chains
Round and round the world,
And the strong slayer of his own
That cut down flesh for grass,
Smiled too, and went to his own tower
Like a walking tower of brass,
And the songs ceased and the slaves were dumb;
And far towards the foam
Men saw a shadow on the sands;
And her father coming home...
Blood of his blood upon the sword
Stood red but never dry.
He wiped it slowly, till the blade
Was blue as the blue sky.
But the blue sky split with a thunder-crack,
Spat down a blinding brand,
And all of him lay black and flat
As his shadow on the sand.”
The touch and the tornado; all our guns give tongue together,
St Barbara for the gunnery and God defend the right,
They are stopped and gapped and battered as we blast away the weather,
Building window upon window to our lady of the light.
For the light is come on Liberty, her foes are falling, falling,
They are reeling, they are running, as the shameful years have run,
She is risen for all the humble, she has heard the conquered calling,
St Barbara of the Gunners, with her hand upon the gun.
-—GK Chesterton
Ballad of St. Barbara
Yes.
I am very close to telling my son to leave the Corp at the end of his current enlistment. If our men are going to be hung out to dry by pantywaisted staff officers and JAG’s, let alone corrupt politicians, I don’t want him to put his life on the line by hesitating when under fire, worried that he could be “Murtha’d”.
Leaks like this tell me one thing: there is not enough evidence to actually move forward. NCIS is trying to get another Murtha to step up and give them cover for another show trial.
I vote to put a few of these SOB’s out on patrol. Maybe after a few NCIS agents get IED’d by “civilians” this crap will stop.
That’s it, bring them home. Send the friggin lawyers over to fight these people. Send the Politicians too. Let THOSE jackasses deal with this. I am so damned SICK of these mamby pamby egg sucking JERKS it’s not funny.
The JAG a-holes are at it again. Since when did War and playing nice have to coexist.
I thoroughly agree. If Congress is so hell-bent on cutting funding for the military, let them cut funding for all these probes and investigations.
Amen brother—there is no such thing as excessive force. I have said ad nauseum until we go “Roman” on these barbarians there will be no victory, only attrition in a pointless occupation. Leave not one stone standing uopn another and do it until they say “we surrender unconditionally and gratefully accept your generous offer to xerox and implement under martial law the US Constitution, just stop killing us and we will behave”.
Here’s a perfect way to make yourself heard...take a reporter with you:
Operation Recruiter Appreciation Day
http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=264
And make sure I CAN HEAR YOU!
I am sorry. When someone is firing hot lead there is not such thing as excessive force in trying to make them stop!
Below germane:
Probe Condemns Actions of SpecOps Marines
-—— Original Message -——
From: Neal Puckett
To: ‘Allen West’
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:47 AM
Subject: Probe Condemns Actions of SpecOps Marines
All,
I now represent the company commander of the MARSOC company kicked out of Afghanistan for alleged use of “excessive force.” Any and all support would be appreciated. This is going to be another big, expensive case. We have to go on the offensive to get public and political support.
Semper fi,
Neal
Neal A. Puckett
Lieutenant Colonel, USMC (Ret)
Attorney at Law
2181 Jamieson Ave, Ste 1505
Alexandria, VA 22314
202-340-0069
FAX: 202-318-7652
www.militaryjudges.com
-——Original Message-——
From: Allen West
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:30 PM
To: Don
Cc: Neal A. Puckett
Subject: Re: Fw: Probe Condemns Actions of SpecOps Marines
Sir, what we, or rather PC Generals and politicians, dont understand is that this is the enemy TTP, firing from the cover of civilians. This is why they dont deserve any recognition under the Geneva Convention and is exactly why the Geneva Convention does not protect non-state, non-uniformed belligerents who do not openly expose themselves as aggressors.
They dont care and use this as an opportunity to kill us and an opportunity to gain media attention and have us prosecute our own. This is pathetic in that who will defend America? If we keep choosing the side of the enemy what then? Perhaps some of these Generals sitting high and mighty should come out and ride some convoys through these tight spaces and be shot at from within civilian cover.
We should instead be looking at this as an enemy TTP and develop a policy and commnicate it to the world; “If you use civilians as cover we will engage and the resulting deaths of innocents falls as a responsibility of the enemy”.
My point is simple, two weeks ago in Iraq, two terrorists breached a security CP because they have two children in the backseat. The then drove to their target, exited the vehicle, and detonated the car bomb with the children inside.......that is what we are dealing with on the ground.
At Kajaki Dam here in southern Afghanistan, the enemy was getting their butts handed to them by withering ground and CAS, they then used children to protect their withdrawal and to recover their dead and wounded.....that is what we are dealing with on the ground.
Benevolence and kindness from people who are not on the front lines are resulting in deaths of our most precious resource. If this enemy has such blatant disregard of life, the onus falls upon him. And now we have Marines standing trial ref Hadtiha, and the potential threat of same occuring from the engagement here in Nangrahar. Someone put some Generals on the ground and not in their pristine command headquarters.....I prefer a General like BG Roosevelt who landed with his troops on Utah Beach 6 June 1944.
Semper Fi, All the Way Sir,
Al West
The initial reports and facts of this action don’t sound good. More information is needed to see what happened.
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