IMAGINE
NO GIULIANI
Posted on 04/12/2007 8:22:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
1994 Rudy: "I will work as hard to protect someone's right to believe in God as he or she sees fit -- or not to believe in God."
The Brody File has dug up a Rudy quote from the past that makes for an interesting discussion. In a 1994 New York Times article, Rudy said this:
"As the Mayor of New York City, I will work as hard to protect someone's right to believe in God as he or she sees fit -- or not to believe in God -- because I realize that my right to practice my religion depends completely on my commitment to defend someone else's right to practice theirs, or to practice no religion at all."
The article goes on to mention his views on Catholicism.
"Mr. Giuliani, who as a young man once considered joining the priesthood, noted that many Catholics today "feel that in some intellectual or quasi-intellectual circles, they are demeaned." He said he had also heard Catholics say that "Catholic-bashing has become part of the dogma of what they regard as the politically correct." And he said: "Indeed, I do detect among some who accept the most recent intellectual fads a disdain for those who share in the more orthodox faiths, whether Christian or Jewish or Muslim. In my humble opinion -- and this is meant as an observation, not a challenge -- that disdain emerges from an almost subconscious conclusion that to believe in God too fervently betrays a certain intellectual infirmity." He compared such a view with the "difficult time that some believers have in drawing the line between belief in dogma and respect for those who disagree." He called for believers and unbelievers alike to avoid "the arrogance of having no doubts."
Read the rest of the article here. It's interesting to hear Rudy talk about his faith. Clearly, there is a deeper story there. It makes me wonder what his upbringing was like and how his Catholic faith helped shaped who he is today. It's something worth exploring. I interview Giuliani next week. Maybe I'll pursue this with him. Got questions for him? Email them to me.
I find little there to argue with. The Bible clearly says pride contributes to unbelief.
But, if anyone says it's arrogant to have no doubts about one's own beliefs, I'd have to say he's wrong.
I see a knee-jerk sensitivity in the fact that they can’t even understand Rudy’s statement of support of religion, as posed in the topic of the thread.
So, "having no doubts" about the existence of our Father in Heaven and in His Son, Jesus Christ, is "arrogance" according to Rudy Giuliani?!! He's calling devout, believing Christians "arrogant".
I have NO DOUBT about God and Jesus Christ. I similarly have NO DOUBT that Giuliani is a flaming liberal. Call me arrogant.
Understandable.
When it comes to courts, however, I wouldn’t trust Giuliani on that matter. And should the Islamic terrorists come en masse over here, RKBA will be the dam by which we ward off the flood.
I do not trust Rudy on RKBA.
"From my statement posted to FR's home page many moons ago:
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If you can't figure out my answer to Rudy, you're lacking an important understanding of FReep."
340 posted on 03/04/2007 2:44:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Good thinking. Maybe now you’ll get behind the most seasoned expert in military affairs and warfare for CIC, instead of a liberal mayor.
I believe most people have doubts. To say differently says we're not human.
Forgive me.
Sorry, I forgot to use very small words for Rudi supporters.
Rudi is a very bad Catholic. He is a bad husband and a bad father. He is very public. This makes Catholics look bad.
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Really? That Rudy behaves as he does has absolutely no bearing on what I think of Catholics or Catholicism. He is human, thereby flawed. That is not the fault of his religion, nor does it have any negative backwash on the religion itself, or its other adherents. But that’s just me.
You truly are losing it.
I trust Hillary and Obama even less on the RTKABA...
What is clear from the sum of Giuliani’s thoughts about many subjects is that he is an intellectual. That he thinks. That he doesn’t respond to issues like a Pavlovian dog panting for the voter’s and the critics’ rewards.
His worst “sin”, is that he makes an assumption that is unappreciated by those who like their politicians to recite knee jerk bromides- that his listeners- and potential voters- are intelligent, are open to ideas, and are intellectually curious.
What makes him unique is that he combines that intellect with a streetwise highly competent ability to lead and to govern.
LOL...
Well, thank you for that. When you get moderator powers, or otherwise put in charge of ferreting out Heretics, let me know.
And that will leave Hillary in a lot of hurt.
Can you imagine the gall of that man to suggest that people should have the freedom to choose to believe or not to believe? LOL ;)
Yep, it all began with post #1. This filthy liberal propaganda continues to corrupt this FR forum hour after hour from some of the most dedicated liberals in America.
Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals...not now...not ever!
You need the Barf alert on that one.....here....I have a baby wipe to clean the brown off the end of your nose.
lol
Since when did this stop being a discussion board and start being the land of the lock-step?
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