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Sources: Virginia Tech gunman left note
Chicago Tribune ^ | April 17, 2007 | Aamer Madhani

Posted on 04/17/2007 8:55:01 AM PDT by 3AngelaD

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To: Cold Heat
Organized and growing.

I could claim a hyphen myself....LOL....

Ain't we all. I'm hyphenated myself-Irish. :-)

461 posted on 04/17/2007 2:59:57 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: ReignOfError

Yosef = Youssouf = Joseph
Yaakov = Yaaqub = Jacob

Just a couple more examples. First is Hebrew phonetic, second is arab phonetic.

Funny thing is, I don’t think there is any arab Isaac, since they can’t acknowledge he ever existed as that would mean Yishmael was not the sole heir to Abraham


462 posted on 04/17/2007 3:01:01 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: Chani

for later


463 posted on 04/17/2007 3:09:24 PM PDT by Chani (Happy cows make good cheese.)
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To: 3AngelaD
Has anyone brought up Emanuel Ax, the Polish/Jewish pianist?


464 posted on 04/17/2007 3:10:35 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: PissAndVinegar

(or am I just having reading comprehension issues?)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

My best estimate is that current English and Journalism majors have less ability to communicate than the aveage sixth grader of forty or fifty years ago.


465 posted on 04/17/2007 3:11:22 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Has anyone brought up Emanuel Ax, the Polish/Jewish pianist?

That's who came to mind immediately for me. He's definitely involved somehow.
466 posted on 04/17/2007 3:14:34 PM PDT by mutley
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To: 3AngelaD

A gaming name perhaps?


467 posted on 04/17/2007 3:41:10 PM PDT by Scarchin (+)
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To: 3AngelaD

Here is an interesting intersection of “Ismail” and “Ax” in the Muslim story of Ibrahim (Abraham), who in the Muslim version of the story is a convert from paganism to Islam. In this story, Ibrahim was going to sacrfice his son, Ismail (instead of Isaac) but a sheep is sent down from “Heaven” and Ismail is spared. As in the Bible, Ismail’s mother is Hagar and she is sent away. When Ismail is grown and his mother has died, he meets Ibrahim again. Learns that Ibrahim has converted to Islam and that Ibrahim had taken an ax and attacked and destroyed all the pagan gods at a Temple except one after converting to Islam. He hung the ax around the single standing pagan idol. Ismail also converts to Islam.

The story appears at an Islamic web site:

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ibrahim.htm


468 posted on 04/17/2007 3:47:11 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: bray

But the game tag may be very important to him. Especially if the game he plays is violent.


469 posted on 04/17/2007 3:52:57 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: GOP_Thug_Mom

Well, they look the same to me.

Reading the letter would be very interesting.


470 posted on 04/17/2007 3:53:05 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: sweetiepiezer

Ritalin and Dexedrine are not SSRIs. Your post leaves the impression that they are.


471 posted on 04/17/2007 4:24:04 PM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: cdcdawg

Sorry that it did.
This is interesting.

http://www.ssristories.com/index.php


472 posted on 04/17/2007 4:31:51 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: Cold Heat

Any who thinks this guy was making high minded “literary references” has not read his writing...

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/

I’m not sure why we’re writing off the Islamic angle since the words were Ismail Ax (exactly referenced in Islamic writings) and not Ishmael Axe. If you were making a literary statement to the world surrounding this event that you thought was important enough to etch onto your body, wouldn’t you care to spell the reference correctly?

I’m also not sure where this “game tag” angle is coming from either. His roommates made no reference to his being a gamer or there even being a game console in his room.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/17/us/17cnd-ROOMMATE.html


473 posted on 04/17/2007 4:50:21 PM PDT by franklog
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To: franklog

Actually, there are reports that he spent a lot of time alone in his room playing a specific game but I don’t know the name. And the first thing my college age son said when he saw the name is that it was a gamer tag.

Apparently there are websites for these games and you take a name and add Ax on the end. And these are games so if he was heading out to kill, he might have wanted to keep the persona on.


474 posted on 04/17/2007 4:59:25 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: 3AngelaD
Calling the fatal shootings "a horrible tragedy for the commonwealth, this community and the nation," Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine this evening angrily denounced gun lobbyists who have said the murders might not have happened if more students were armed.

"People who want to take this 24 hours after the event and make it their political hobbyhorse— I have nothing but loathing,'' he said during a news conference.

Funny no criticism of those calling for more gun control, much less than 24 hours after the event. The same day in fact.

From Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

For Immediate Release:
04-16-2007
Contact Communications: (202) 898-0792

Blacksburg, VA – Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, issued the following statement:

"Our thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the Virginia Tech University community, and to the families of the victims of what appears to be one of the worst mass shootings in American history.

"Details are still forthcoming about what motivated the shooter in this case to act, and how he was able to arm himself. It is well known, however, how easy it is for an individual to get powerful weapons in our country.

"Eight years ago this week, the young people in Littleton, Colorado suffered a horrible attack at Columbine High School, and almost exactly six months ago, five young people were killed at an Amish schoolhouse in Pennsylvania. Since these killings, we've done nothing as a country to end gun violence in our schools and communities. If anything, we've made it easier to access powerful weapons.

"We have now seen another horrible tragedy that will never be forgotten. It is long overdue for us to take some common-sense actions to prevent tragedies like this from continuing to occur."

'It speaks for itself. The vultures began circling over the bodies while they were still warm, and while others were still being treated in hospitals, some in critical condition.

475 posted on 04/17/2007 5:10:16 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: pa mom
Reports where? His roommates said in the NYT article:
He was probably gone more often than he was here. I just figured he had classes.
Doesn't sound like "a lot of time alone in his room." They also said that he spent "a lot of his time" on the computer "downloading music and stuff" (not gaming). But what do they know? They only live there.

And his gamer persona "just happened to be" the name of an high Islamic Prophet and spelled using the Islamic spelling?

476 posted on 04/17/2007 5:17:41 PM PDT by franklog
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To: franklog

There are sources other than the NY Times!

I’ll sort through the posts and try to find the source.


477 posted on 04/17/2007 5:23:12 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: pa mom

I’m just saying the two guys who actually lived with the guy are probably better sources as to what he was doing in the room than your son and whomever is cited in the mysterious other source.


478 posted on 04/17/2007 5:33:13 PM PDT by franklog
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To: El Gato
Meanwhile, here is the NRA statement:

The National Rifle Association joins the entire country in expressing our deepest condolences to the families of Virginia Tech University and everyone else affected by this horrible tragedy.

Our thoughts and prayers are with the families. We will not have further comment until all the facts are known.

Andrew Arulanandam
Director of Public Affairs
National Rifle Association

So Governor Kaine, who is that is dancing in the blood of innocents to make their political point?

The Virgina Citizens Defense League did post a couple of pretty hot statements.

The VA Affiliate of the NRA, the Virgina Shooting Sports Association also issued a statement similar to that of the NRA, although with a "whiff" of "agenda in it":

For Immediate Release Contact: David Adams April 16, 2007 Phone: 804-382-9501

VSSA President Expresses Sorrow at Tech Slayings Calls upon General Assembly to take action to protect Virginia’s college campuses

Orange, VA – David Adams, President of the Virginia Shooting Sports Association (VSSA), expressed sorrow today after learning of the tragic shootings on the campus of Virginia Tech. “On behalf of the thousands of members of VSSA, I would like to express our deepest sympathy and offer our prayers to the families of the victims and the extended Tech community” said Mr. Adams.

“The cowardly individual that committed these killings took advantage of a ‘gun free zone’ to carry out this brutal act” Adams continued. At this time, details are still unclear and we do not know exactly what occurred that caused such a mass loss of life. What is clear however is this tragedy is one more example in a long list that demonstrates blanket bans on firearms do not deter an individual intent on mass murder.”

Personally I think they should, as a "first step" allow all the members, otherwise eligible to posses a firearm, of the VaTech Corps of Cadets who are also ROTC cadets (not all are), to go armed on Campus.

479 posted on 04/17/2007 6:00:58 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: franklog
Frank, I have not actually seen a photo of the writing on his arm, so I'm not so sure about the spelling and I don't trust the media sources.

Secondly, the guy is a senior with a English major. I am quite sure he know what a metaphor is, and I think that is the purpose of the so called tattoo.>P>it could be a Islamic metaphor, but it does not work as well as the "axe that changed the world" or whatever they say the metaphor means.

480 posted on 04/17/2007 6:10:28 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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