Should students be allowed to carry concealed weapons?

Christian Science Monitor ^ | April 18, 2007 | Jared Flesher and Alexandra Marks |

[the OlLine Rebel]

If you read her OP, you’d see she wasn’t advocating anything as far as restrictions. Just stating how the PEOPLE carrying might find it impractical and not even bother carrying.

[Dead Corpse]

Ok... I give up on you. Go back. Take a deep breath. Re-read what I've said. I haven't been rude. I may have been blunt. That's just me. Sue me if you don't like it.

My points remain valid and you have done nothing to refute them.

[Tolsti]

I have read your posts. They consist of ‘teens shouldn’t have guns in school’.

Ok. But we’re talking about legal adults over 21.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Did you read Hair’s 1st post? Or is there a comprehension problem? She went off on a tangent about the impracticalities of being a student carrying. That’s it.

[HairOfTheDog]

My point was that it is ridiculous to restrict an innocent person's access to something (guns, knives, cars, gasoline, poison...) on the gounds that, left unsafe, a thief could steal it and use it in a crime.

I'm not talking about restricting anyone's rights, and never have, on this thread. I'm talking about how citizens who choose to carry legally and in public should act.

[Tolsti]

I’m sure half the students have bongs and pipes and god knows what else on them. I’m sure the legal responsible ones can conceal carry without causing problems in class.

[the OlLine Rebel]

I told you, SOMEone will start a frivolous lawsuit and it won’t matter to some lame-o jury what the law is or is not.

Was it illegal for McDonald’s to make coffee more than 110 deg?

[Texas Federalist]

Sounds an aweful lot like the same thought preocesses that anti-gunners use to drum up hysteria over localities loosening their carry laws.

That's exactly what it is. I'm surprised at how many people on this board are so quick to find exceptions based on students "immaturity". Logic would dictate that college students have a much lower violent crime arrest rate than the general population, and I would bet the statistics back this up. So why the irrational ranting and ravings about blood in the streets? Pathetic.

[Dead Corpse]

You bring up a good point though, not that no kid can be trusted, but that the general security and lifestyle in dorm rooms would make safe storage and keeping of guns difficult. When I was in the dorms, dorm rooms were left standing wide open on Friday nights, students mingled and partied room to room... and had I owned a weapon, it's safe storage would have been a major problem.

Changing your tune already?

[Dead Corpse]

Or is there a comprehension problem?

Now you are being "rude". Don't be an ass...

[HairOfTheDog]

I think you’re just not informed enough on the subject, that’s all.

On the contrary, I'm so informed on the subject, I'm having trouble talking about it in basic enough terms that you can understand it and not take me out of context.

If the *worse* thing that happens is someone else sees you having a gun, that’s really not that bad. I think it outweighs the cost of being a sitting duck, don’t you?

If it being seen makes headlines, it's bad for all of us.

[Tolsti]

She went off on a tangent about the impracticalities of being a student carrying. That’s it.

I confronted those technical issues and solved them. It's really a small matter of being responsible enough to drive a car. It's very easy to conceal and not print. I'm not even sure what the disagreement is over anymore. Is it technical or political? The technical aspects of carry are virtually non-existant.

[the OlLine Rebel]

“If it’s a public university it is owned and operated by the state. Are you saying that the state has the authority to over ride the Constitution of the United States and ignore the 2nd Amendment?”

How do you explain courtrooms and state houses and the like? You can’t get more GOVERNMENT than that, the 1s who are supposed to protect 2A, right?

[HairOfTheDog]

Read that. Read it carefully.

[Tolsti]

Care to give an example of anyone misusing a legally concealed gun and getting such lawsuits started? Any real world?

Certainly not in states where it is legal to carry. The property owners are NOT responsible. However, I would dare to say if you are banned from carrying, they should be responsible if anything happens to you that could’ve been avoided if you were not banned.

[CodeToad]

A better question:

Should students be disarmed and defenseless against attackers?

[the OlLine Rebel]

Personally, I think it would be best if we all had little Derringers outside home. Size wouldn’t be much of a problem. :D

[goldstategop]

I like to see armed liberals. That thought doesn't bother me. 18 year olds old enough to carry arms when defending their country are certainly mature enough to carry arms to defend their own lives. The reason liberals are so immature is because they're treated like children. Its time to treat college kids as adults and put them in charge of their own lives - that's trusting that when they come of age, they'll do the right thing.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Tolsti]

Dorms do pose a problem. But it shouldn’t be that much worse than any apartment scenario. There are small guns and small safes that you can be sure nobody will get into. gunvault.com makes them.

Again, the technical issues have been solved. It’s a policy matter really when it comes down to it. Politics.

[NavyCanDo]

If you were a college student who would I rather sit next to, a petite co-ed with a permit to carry and a 38 snub nose in her purse, or a 180 lb weightlifter with a give peace a chance t-shirt? Ahhhhh wait a minute the petite co-ed is kinda ugly, can’t let your hormones sway your vote.