Should students be allowed to carry concealed weapons?

Why should one be stripped of the human right of self-defense in order to learn?

I was not advocating the stripping of the right to self defense. I believe that an institution of higher learning is just that. The students should not have to worry about their safety. They have enough of a problem worrying about their grades. As I stated in my musings, it is the proverbial double edged sword. Do we allow everyone to be armed (and wonder if the person sitting next to you will reach into his book bag and trigger a negligent discharge), or should we advocate the nanny-statist tactic of police security everywhere, metal detectors, searches, etc.?

What is wrong with happy, healthy, lawful, armed people peacefully interacting in all aspcets of life?

Nothing. We agree on this principle.

So, only those who are NOT responsible enough to carry a gun should have one.

The original comment, as written-"As we have seen by recent tragedies, schools can and are also turned into scenes of carnage by those who are not responsible enough to have a gun."

I was stating the fact that those who are NOT responsible enough to have a gun are the ones who cause the carnage, not that they should have one. As we have seen by todays news posts, this guy was looney tunes. He should not have had a gun, or any weapon for that matter. Now, how do we weed out those types of people? There is no simple answer.

I have disarmed nobody.

Are you saying that the state has the authority to over ride the Constitution of the United States and ignore the 2nd Amendment?

That is not being stated , nor implied by me. It does seem to be status quo though. Many politicians seem to think the Constitution is their's to dilute as they see fit.

The is a difference between private property and publicly owned property.

My bad. I assumed it was a private institution without checking.

The state should have no recourse but to allow carrying a weapon unless there are specific threats to harm or kill another.

I am in complete agreement here. Let's add mental illness as a reason to deny carrying also.

I have said NOT ONE SINGLE WORD against student carry. I'm in favor of student carry.

And yet your entire screed was about all the negatives. Don't feed the hysteria. That would be a damn good start wouldn't it? How's THAT for not "reasoning ahead of the data"?

Thanks for not actually answering my question. Kinda shows that you'd rather rant and rail against my perceived attacks than actually addressing what I said and come up ACTUAL *expletive deleted* IDEAS.

Or is that too much to ask? Do we now need to spend the next 50 posts arguing about "logistics" and other meaningless terms?

I learned on a S&W 19. Got my first .22 rifle when I was 11. When I turned 19, my Dad refurbished an S&W 19 for me just like his old service pistol. Has a trigger that breaks like glass and a buttery smooth DA pull to it. Still my favorite pistol for steel plates. He gave it to me when I came home on leave after boot camp. Yeah, it was “one of those moments”. ;-)

“Your method of sterotyping groups of individuals who shouldn’t own weapons has no place in a free society. What other groups do you feel are more prone to this behavior you describe? African-Americans have a greater rate of criminal behavior than other groups”

Please don’t use the bogus comparison of a RACE you are born with AND STUCK WITH ALL YOUR LIFE (unless you’re Michael Jackson) with an age group. We all move into and out of those “groups” - they are mobile and ever-changing. This was already tried on another thread and it’s SPECIOUS.

This ISN’T about “criminal behavior”. It’s about immaturity and their prediliction for stupidity in their immaturity. There are too many such in that age group, and on campus they are THE dominant population. Accidents aplenty are bound to happen, IMO, never mind some actual criminal behavior. Much more than the mixed society at large.

“Your method of sterotyping groups of individuals who shouldn’t own weapons has no place in a free society”

Read my posts again, please. I’m talking about POLICY of an INSTITUTION, not LAWS even for a locale. I’m all for EVERYone being able to OWN a gun or any weapon (I believe there are more weapons than firearms).

But if campus chooses to exclude undergrad students from BRINGING weapons on their premises, that’s their prerogative and pretty wise IMO. If they allow everyone including undergrads on campus to carry, it’s no skin off my nose, but I think maybe unwise. I could be wrong.

But how many times do I have to say this - my opinion here has nothing to do with making laws, and nothing to do with what undergrads or anyone owns.

I was not advocating the stripping of the right to self defense. I believe that an institution of higher learning is just that. The students should not have to worry about their safety.

In my extensive experience, I worry least when I am armed.

I don’t worry about disaster ensuing because other licensed carriers might do something stupid because in 40 states, over many years, essentially IT HASN’T HAPPENED!

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