Posted on 04/18/2007 2:02:53 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Hehhe...
Ok... Theft seems to be a big concern. I've already given some ideas on that. Lock it up if you aren't going to carry it or be in the room to prevent it from being taken. Common sense.
How about actual carry? Open? Concealed? What about other weapons? Knives, saps, ect...
Setting up a campus firearms safety courses would be fairly easy. The same curriculum currently being used by NRA instructors across the Nation is readily available. You could even make it an Elective Course for a Humanities credit. Testing out, or even "life experience credit", could be given to those who are prior military or are already CCW carriers.
Can you think of other logistics?
So you’re saying because others cannot see that the “emotional” immature less-reliable youngster has a firearm, it can be more dangerous for those others?
Thanks for explanation.
Basically, yes.
Again, it's a "compared to what?" situation. Even with a few students killed by friendly fire, I bet we'd have seen way less than 33 dead if students had been armed.
Further, after glancing through the thread here, I think incompetence works its way UP the chain. If we tolerate incompetence among the citizenry we will get it from our LEOs. I know I have seen for incredibly incompetent LEO's and extremely professional ones as well. Currently, though, it seems that a lot of us are saying we MUST rely on the incompetent officials rather than strive to make ourselves competent and prepared. That is not the America of the Founders.
“But gun advocate Mr. Van Cleave contends that control is not the solution. “Gun control only works with the good guys,” he says. “Good people obey the laws. The people you’re worried about don’t. I don’t think [the campus shooting] is going to bode well for gun control.”
Van Cleave is right on target. In this case it’s too bad a “good guy” wasn’t armed to take out the demented perp. One thing I have a problem with; is why a non-American citizen can buy a gun legally. The constitution should not pertain to non-citizens.
I mentioned in my earlier posts about the logistical considerations of carrying concealed, particularly in the kind of clothes college kids usually wear, especially in good weather. It’s not easy to carry concealed on your body in t-shirt and shorts, particularly for women. So we end up with guns in purses, backpacks and fanny packs. Fine, as long as you never set them down and walk away. Most lectures, that’s not a problem, we have our bag at our feet. But there are situations where I know it’s come up when I’m at work. Going off to work in a small group, getting up in front of the class, and for me... going to the copy machine down the hall... I had to carry my purse with me. Leaving it at my desk, which did not lock, even for a moment, was not good enough.
Not pre-kinder.
Personally, I prefer open carry as it doesn't have a lot of the clothing limitations concealed does, has faster access to my firearm, and has a "condition the sheep" aspect to it.
Yes, I have discussed the "concealed=surprise for the bad guy" tactical argument. This doesn't hold up when you consider that military and police do not carry concealed.
That's the rub, isn't it, they take away your ability to defend yourself and then fail miserably to protect you.
Yes it is. The concept and law of the age of majority applies. As it is, one can possess a handgun under the supervision and authority of a person 21, or older. 18 is the generally recognized age of majority. A person can own any long gun at that age. I see no problem with allowing a few of them discretely on any campus in living quarters that contain the student's other property.
Handgun ownership and CCW is different. It is cnsidered by society as an acitvity that requires more adult experience and maturity than the simple age of majority. It is one of those things, like alcohol consumption that is left to the traditional age of majority, which is 21. I see no compelling weight of reason to change the 21 y/o age limit as the point where the right is recognized.
The vast number of violent attacks on campuses and off are against women, that includes those between 18-21. I would not be opposed to licencing programs that would extend to folks between 18-21 a priviledge to obtain a CCW permit and use a handgun under adult sponsorship, until their right is recognized at 21.
Fairly unrestricted open carry is actually the law where I live (WA) but no one does it and it would create a stir in some settings. It's not the societal norm. I'm not personally opposed to it, but I don't think society is ready, today, for open carry, not in the city, not in a class room.
Better that than advertising to killers, "Come to our campus. This is a gun-free zone; you can kill as many people here as you want, and nobody will stop you."
This would provide an avenue for more of the public to see what all the fuss was about without scaring the poor little dears out of a years growth.
I don’t know... I think the challenge of changing public attitudes to accept open carry would be an uphill one. I think arguments for more unrestricted concealed carry, opening up some of the places that are restricted now, such as college campuses, would be an easier fight to win, but we do have to be ready with good answers to the logistics ~first~, which is what I’ve been trying to do here.
You know what I find absolutely absurd? (Being in MD, big surprise.)
How is it I can have my .38 in my home and in the gun shop, but man I better be careful if I’m “transporting” it! (Generally, between the same 2!) I might get taken in for having it on my car somewhere. God help me if I say I’m going to my cousin’s with it instead of a “certified gun shop”.
I really hate nullifying laws like this.
How would YOU go about trying to change the publics perception of lawful firearms carry? Specifically...
This is another reason why a case like Parker needs to be heard by the SCOTUS. It may well be the only way to get the States to respect our individual RKBA again shy of forcibly removing them from the Legislature.
Absolutely! Folks need to see video of the carnage and footage of the armed cops running in after it's all over.
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