Posted on 04/18/2007 2:02:53 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Advocating "good gun ownership" is one thing. I'm still not ready to let you off the hook though. So, no. No apology.
Fine. That says more about you than it does me. Anyone reading this thread will see you grossly misstated my position.
I would agree that if the firearm isn't on you, that it should be secured in some fashion if you aren't going to be in the room to keep track of it.
Can we agree on that?
Eh... not so much. No.
Hey, dummass, answer this.
If it's against the law to shoot someone and people still do it, why do you think that, if it's against the law to have a gun, those same people will obey that law?
Absolutely we agree on that. That’s why I see it, from a gun owner point of view, to be at the very least, complicated to actually move from “people should have a right to self defense” to “OK, now lets make this work, for students living on campus.”
Also, most of those firesafes have very good locks on them. Much better than just putting a flimsy trigger lock on it.
College dorms have always been the same. Guns have traditionally been on campuses. There were guns in mine, alcohol flowed regularly and the place was referred to as the zoo. The gun owner takes care of their property and doesn't play with them in an irresponsible manner and they don't allow access, to fruitcakes and psychotics.
Okay....
Yes, but what if it wasn’t, as many want no laws restricting age (or considerably lower) for guns? That’s what I’ve gotten out of all these “discussions” - they’re over 18 (I guess that’s a reasonable age limit?) so should be allowed to carry on campus, etc.
The only real question is how to get those in power to acknowledge this and get out of our way. All other problems can be dealt with afterwards and are merely logistical.
But that sort of wonderful story is strictly limited to certain very narrow regions. Right here where I am in Miami Florida the University of Miami used to have an indoor rifle range but it's been gone for several decades. With the current administration of Donna "Boom Boom" Shalayah (sp?) the former Clinton cabinet member, things have only gotten worse. If she discovers any athlete has possession of a gun under lawful conditions under state law she will have them expelled nonetheless.
Used to be that the major universities in this state (UF, FSU, USF, etc) had full ride scholarships available for students participating with the RIFLE TEAM! No more. Increasingly, this type of thing has become a rural issue...even in populous states like Pennsylvania. I doubt serously you'll see that in Philly, right?
Maybe if feasible (probably not), campi should be “restricted” in access. At least, I think it would be OK to have “strangers” show whether they have weapons at the campus gate. But, it’s probably too hard to do.
I’m wondering why open should not be restricted but concealed should?
I think that might be true in off-campus housing, I had several friends off campus who also owned guns, but they didn't have them when in the dorms, all of us were under 21 when we were in the dorms, for starters. A couple guys had rifles or shotguns during hunting season.... probably left in their vehicles, then they took them home after hunting season, just from a security standpoint.
Reality is what is, not conjecture. Fed law says 21.
OK then forgive me for jumping the gun... I'm already on logistics.
But so many seem to want it lowered or removed - it is, after all, a natural right, no (and it is)? ;-)
So if there WAS no more restriction in law, would that mean absolutely institutions like this could NOT restrict access on their premises?
Know how I got my ccw permit? I went down to the police station and the chief of police walked out into the blazing sunshine and he walked round and round me as I stood there with heels locked at attention in my army fatigues. So he finishes his inspection and CLAPS me on the shoulder, he says:
I reckon YOU'LL DO, BOY! Jest don't KILL nobody who don't deserve, killin' hear? That was that. I think I paid $5 for a three year permit.
If carrying openly everyone can already see that you have a weapon and can prepare themselves accordingly. Even those with immature attitudes, if not suicidal, would know that if they reach for a weapon, other will react accordingly.
On the other hand, a concealed weapon, at least in my opinion, requires a level of maturity that a juvenile may not have. Juveniles tend, as a group, to react with hormonal emotion when they should be considering reactions to, and consequences of, their action.
A more mature individual would be more likely to have already considered reactions to and consequences of their actions.
Generally folks don’t announce that they have guns in the room. The only time anyone would see them is inside a closed dorm room, when someone returned along with a bunch of ducks, or squirrels. Otherwise they sat in a closet, or some similar storage place.
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