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Tough road for Republicans w / Emerging Church Christians

Posted on 04/24/2007 10:55:22 AM PDT by ktupper

Over the last few months, I've noticed a definite shift in attitudes among many of the Christian forums and blogs I read and with many of my friends.

The emerging church movement (for lack of a better term) is making strong in roads into what was once a lock vote for the Republicans.

It seems many are looking at areas of social justice, the war, etc...as much as abortion. The discussion is that a lot of these people who always formerly voted Republican will vote for someone like Obama.

The problem is many of them are conservative with respect to issues, not with respect to political philosophy. I've tried amongst my friends to stress that a government solution is usually far more costly and often doesn't work...but to no avail.

Is anyone else experiencing this?


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To: what's up
"There are many, many christians who are conservative on abortion and homosexuality but who are not fiscal conservatives."

I'm kind of in that camp, but I AM a fiscal conservative on the budget and deficit spending, and the Bush Republicans have blown that issue too. I remember thinking while all that wrangling was going on in Florida after the 2000 election, that the guy who won might end up wishing he hadn't. Somehow I felt an ill wind blowing, and that miserable, cold wet weather on Bush's first election day just reaffirmed my foreboding.
41 posted on 04/24/2007 11:52:57 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: ktupper

Obama is the biggest pro baby murderer running today. If they will vote for Him, they definitely need to go back to their Bibles.

What kind of “Christian” board do you go to that is pro abortion? I can’t say I’ve run into any of this except a few who have joined boards recently and are trying to sway people.

It may be like the situation we are having now on Freerepublic. There are people with an agenda who are trying to control the blogosphere the way they control the media. Just as here on this board, there may be a few liberals and RINOs out there thinking they can stir things up or at least confuse conservatives into giving up early or supporting liberal candidates. The easiest way to stop them on a Christian board is with God’s Word. No Bible believing Christian is willing to sacrifice babies for a global warming candidate.


42 posted on 04/24/2007 11:53:04 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: philled

“Social justice” and “peace and justice” are indeed leftists code words, or phrases. People who use those terms love Castro and hate Bush.


43 posted on 04/24/2007 11:55:13 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: what's up

South American church was much different with various movements like liberation theology playing a prominent role. The backbone of the Religious Right is not fiscal (although most are fiscally conservative) but rather social conservatism. Again, the only people listening are the libs and others who would be considered Christian in only the most nominal sense. That is not the Religious Right and it is not those who subscribe to a biblical worldview (in fact just the opposite).


44 posted on 04/24/2007 11:57:20 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
As far as I can tell, you're close.

It seems to be a movement of people who enjoy the trappings of feelgood, megachurch Rick Warrenism but who think its gauche to criticize personal immorality.

It's much easier to call for "social justice" than to say: "Stop murdering babies!"

45 posted on 04/24/2007 12:04:08 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: LikeLight

Just a fancy name for “The Church of What’s Happenin’ Now.”

Living the Word isn’t easy, it’s tough. These people don’t have the guts to live it out; they want easy answers and a soft life. “No sin” means “no consquences” to them.

And Satan laughs...


46 posted on 04/24/2007 12:04:55 PM PDT by henkster (Al Gore is the second coming...of Trofim Lysenko)
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To: LikeLight
It’s more about attempting to do Christianity without so much of the usual Church baggage.

Care to explain that a bit more?

47 posted on 04/24/2007 12:07:43 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: what's up
"Many, many christians are NOT fiscal conservatives. They are very weak on the message of socialism."

I keep hearing the fiscal conservatives say this. I wonder if they really don't understand what the Bible says when it calls Christians to feed the sick, the poor, the orphan, and widow. It does not say anything about coercing other people into giving up their hard earned funds.

If you believe in the Bible you won't believe in stealing from non-Christians in order to do the work that we as Christians have been given to complete.

48 posted on 04/24/2007 12:11:11 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: philled

I think what social justice is, and what some people mean when they say it are 2 different things.

For example, cheating the poor out of their just wages is a terrible sin. I would think social justice addresses that. Child labor laws, not following basic safety laws for workers, etc are things that come to my mind.

But again, if a leftist is talking...


49 posted on 04/24/2007 12:11:43 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: ktupper

Bellevue Baptist, Cordova, Tenn. Cornerstone of So. Baptist.

Is in a horrible mess. Check wwwsavingbellevue.org.


50 posted on 04/24/2007 12:16:20 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (President Fred Thompson will finally give the University of Memphis the respect that it is due!)
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To: ktupper
I have noticed a huge push of secularism in the Church during the last 20 years. Many Christians are more concerned about feeling good versus sound Christian doctrine. In addition, this global warming fraud being perpetrated by the left has influenced many Christians such as that famous preacher in So. California who wrote that famous book that everyone read. The problem I have with this global warming issue is the flawed science, and for Christians we come close to worshiping the creation (ghia) versus the creator! Scripture requires that we are good stewards, but not at the expense of siding with the godless left. Pardon the tangent in my response.
51 posted on 04/24/2007 12:17:48 PM PDT by Son-Joshua (son-joshua)
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To: bereanway

Not true! You can thank Rick Warren.


52 posted on 04/24/2007 12:17:53 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (President Fred Thompson will finally give the University of Memphis the respect that it is due!)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
"What is an “Emerging Church Christian”?

Sounds like they're glorying in the fact that they were born yesterday? ...Or born again yesterday?

53 posted on 04/24/2007 12:21:34 PM PDT by cookcounty (No journalist ever won a prize for reporting the facts. --Telling big stories? Now that's a hit.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Thanks for your sacrifice. My husband is ex-Navy and one of our boys is a a Naval officer.


54 posted on 04/24/2007 12:21:40 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (President Fred Thompson will finally give the University of Memphis the respect that it is due!)
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To: Rodm
Emerging Church Christian: Their life revolves around rock music, special coffees and eating french-fries during a 20 minute sermon.

Yeah, and they all seem to be under age 40, usually under age 30.

55 posted on 04/24/2007 12:24:29 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here... move on.)
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To: what's up

Not necessarily so. I attend a church with 30,000 members. Most are college grads and many many are doctors, lawyers, highly paid Fed Ex employees. and so on.

My church is increasingly becoming part of the emerging movement.


56 posted on 04/24/2007 12:25:38 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (President Fred Thompson will finally give the University of Memphis the respect that it is due!)
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To: cookcounty
Sounds like they're glorying in the fact that they were born yesterday? ...Or born again yesterday?

I think born again is a no-no in the emerging movement. Too old-fashioned.

57 posted on 04/24/2007 12:26:23 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here... move on.)
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To: Rodm

At my church your list is preferable to listening to the shallow pastor!


58 posted on 04/24/2007 12:28:14 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (President Fred Thompson will finally give the University of Memphis the respect that it is due!)
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To: what's up

I have an aunt and uncle that were So. Baptist missionaries for 40 years, and think that Bill Clinton hung the moon.


59 posted on 04/24/2007 12:29:34 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (President Fred Thompson will finally give the University of Memphis the respect that it is due!)
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To: Rodm
"...during a 20 minute sermon"

Aauuugghhh! You said the S word!!!

(Sermon - they hate that. It's a "progressional dialog.")

60 posted on 04/24/2007 12:33:55 PM PDT by Gil4 (Time Man of the Year 2006 - and I'm darned proud of it)
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