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Move to block emissions 'swindle' DVD [Global Warming]
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Posted on 04/25/2007 12:41:58 AM PDT by Omega Man II

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To: Omega Man II

Durkin should just fix the documentary and release it.

There are two problems with the documentary:

- “That volcanoes emit more CO2 than man” - Not true - Just change it to “natural sources” emit over 20 times as much CO2 as man - True

- “The satellites do not show an increase in temperatures” - The MSU satellites of the NOAA used to show no real change in lower troposphere temperatures (as would be expected with global warming) but the satellites were found to have a few processing errors and have now been corrected showing a small warming (about half of what the global warmers are predicting);

Other than that, it is primarily factual.

Some argue that the temperature chart showing cooling from 1940 to 1975 is not accurate. Well it is accurate if you use the actual temperature measurements (versus the global warmer’s adjusted temperature trendline which has adjusted the raw data about 4 times now so that it shows global warming.)

Now compare that to Al Gore’s fabrication which is being forced on nearly every school child.


81 posted on 04/25/2007 9:04:30 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: aruanan

Just had time for a quick reply. Do you oppose me posting a confirmation of factual information, just because it goes against what some people would want reality to be?


82 posted on 04/25/2007 9:23:23 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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83 posted on 04/25/2007 10:46:20 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (G*d bless and heal Virginia Tech!)
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To: Gondring
It’s a shame that those who feel our climate change isn’t anthropogenic feel they must resort to Michael Moore-style lies to make their case.

It's a shame that liberals always have to resort to trying to shut people up in order to avoid having their ideas exposed as a fraud.

84 posted on 04/25/2007 10:56:12 AM PDT by xjcsa (The "average temperature" of the earth is as meaningful as the "average number" in a phone book.)
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To: Bob

I don’t know the chemistry (though I should), but I can tell you if you need to lower the alkalinity in your pool the easiest way to do it is to raise the temps and aerate. What you also find out when you own a swimming pool is that there is a tenuous connection between alkalinity and pH. They are related but not directly. We often have a 200+ Alk reading and a pH of 6-6.5 at the same time, which technically would seem to be impossible, but I can attest to the fact it isn’t.

For years we tried to balance that out by adding Bicarb or borax to raise the pH, but would end up with an over the top Alk. reading (less so with the borax). Then we would add acid to bring down the Alk reading and the pH would plummet. Since learning this little secret of heat and aeration we have brought the Alk. down from close to 230ppm to 100 or less in 3-4 days without adding chemicals and without screwing up the pH.


85 posted on 04/25/2007 11:06:15 AM PDT by redangus
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To: AndyTheBear

Great tagline.


86 posted on 04/25/2007 11:07:48 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: Zon

Thanks for the charts!


87 posted on 04/25/2007 11:16:41 AM PDT by Edgerunner (keep your powder dry...)
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To: Omega Man II

Nothing funnier than an elephant with fleas crawling up her belly; swat, crash; swat, crash...


88 posted on 04/25/2007 11:24:25 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: xjcsa
It's a shame that liberals always have to resort to trying to shut people up in order to avoid having their ideas exposed as a fraud.

Agreed...and I'd extend that to both sides, of this debate and others.

89 posted on 04/25/2007 11:24:50 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Omega Man II
Global Warming is a liberal religion, not science. How dare you question the Church Of Al Gore! Take the unbelievers to the stake and burn them!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

90 posted on 04/25/2007 11:27:12 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Gondring
Agreed...and I'd extend that to both sides, of this debate and others.

Riiight. "Both sides do it," eh? Bill O'Reilly, is that you?

91 posted on 04/25/2007 11:31:10 AM PDT by xjcsa (The "average temperature" of the earth is as meaningful as the "average number" in a phone book.)
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To: redangus
I'm not at all sure how the term alkalinity measured in ppm is used in swimming pool chemistry.

I was using it within the chemical context of the pH scale. I was speaking in terms of a pH value of 7.0 being neutral, with values under 7.0 being acidic, and above 7.0 alkaline.

92 posted on 04/25/2007 12:09:52 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Edgerunner

Happy to help.


93 posted on 04/25/2007 12:13:08 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

The liberals will drink what they always drink...............Kool-Aid :)


94 posted on 04/25/2007 12:15:15 PM PDT by WildcatClan (Just wait till the Pretendicans have to debate, Hunter in '08)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Sometimes, I tend to think these people just work for the oil or coal companies.

Then sometimes you live in a fantasy world.

95 posted on 04/25/2007 12:34:33 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Gondring
Yes. It’s true. Annual input from combustion is about 150 times that as from volcanic activity.

What are the values and how do I verify them? There is a lot of contradictory info out there.

96 posted on 04/25/2007 12:49:59 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: Omega Man II
I thought for sure they must have written these words to the Goreacle, that distinguished climate scientist Albore:

"We believe that the misrepresentation of facts and views, both of which occur in your programme, are so serious that repeat broadcasts of the programme, without amendment, are not in the public interest ... In fact, so serious and fundamental are the misrepresentations that the distribution of the DVD of the programme without their removal amounts to nothing more than an exercise in misleading the public."
97 posted on 04/25/2007 1:03:56 PM PDT by Enchante (Liefong, Fitzfong, Earlefong, Schumfong, Waxfong, Pelosifong.... see a pattern here?!?)
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To: Bob

See point #5 in my profile. CO2 solubility in seawater does not cause this observation.


98 posted on 04/25/2007 1:10:35 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: WildcatClan
Correct, and the case was made for that in the program. Good explanation with the soda btw.

Actually, markedly incorrect -- one of numerous points on which the program was egregiously in error. See point #5 in my profile.

99 posted on 04/25/2007 1:11:41 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: AndyTheBear
The late 19th century and early 20th century direct measurements tend to disagree drastically varying from 280 to 550.

Are you getting that from Zbigniew?

The older ice core data is congruent with the newer ice core data (different sites) and shows that at the end of the Younger Dryas -- official initiation of the Holocene -- CO2 in the atmosphere was about 280 ppm. Anything substantially above that (+15 ppm or higher) until "agriculturalization" in the early 1700s, when there was the beginning of increase due to land-use alteration, should be discarded as incorrect.


100 posted on 04/25/2007 1:18:16 PM PDT by cogitator
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