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Relax, the planet is fine
National Post ^ | April 21, 2007 | Linda Frum

Posted on 04/25/2007 2:27:27 AM PDT by jsh3180

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To: JustDoItAlways

A favorite denier of mine is also getting old like me.SEPP - Science & Environmental Policy Project
Dr Fred Singer’s site Address:

http://www.sepp.org/


21 posted on 04/25/2007 5:39:59 AM PDT by larryjohnson (USAF(Ret))
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To: jsh3180
The movie has cleared $50-million. He charges $100,000-$150,000 a lecture.

Al Gore has a fever!

Gold Fever!

22 posted on 04/25/2007 6:06:24 AM PDT by AU72
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To: JustDoItAlways

Like religion used to force everyone into saying “I believe in God”, the global warming movement has forced everyone into saying “I believe in global warming.”

The most egregious thing is the political parasites and environmental parasites at the top of the AGW swindle is their intent to undermine science by politicizing it.

If they can convince enough people that they can nail Jell-O to the wall it opens the flood gates to evermore politicizing of science. It's almost as though they took a page right out of the Dark Ages.

23 posted on 04/25/2007 6:25:00 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: jsh3180
No, I'm accusing them of behaving the way scientists always behave. In other words, some years ago, when Richard Nixon declared war on cancer, almost all the biological sciences then became cancer research. I mean, I don't call that corruption, I'm saying you orient your research so that it has a better chance to get resources.

It may not be corruption, but neither is it the noble, unbiased search for knowledge that some would have us believe.

After years in academia, the more I see of government-funded resarch, the less I like it.

24 posted on 04/25/2007 7:25:38 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: Zon

It's almost as though they took a page right out of the Dark Ages.

Almost? These methods have been around throughout history.

 

 

POLITICS OF CATASTROPHE IN A NUTSHELL:

 

“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.
-- H. L. Mencken

  • “A hypothesis is always preferable to the truth, for we tailor a hypothesis to fit our opinion of the truth, whereas the truth is only its own awkward self. Ergo, never discover the truth when a hypothesis will do.”

  • “For the great majority of mankind are satisfied with appearances, as though they were realities, and are often more influenced by the things that seem than by those that are.”

  • “Therefore a wise prince ought to adopt such a course that his citizens will always in every sort and kind of circumstance have need of the state and of him, and then he will always find them faithful.”

  • “Besides what has been said, people are fickle by nature; and it is a simple to convince them of something but difficult to hold them in that conviction; and, therefore, affairs should be managed in such a way that when they no longer believe, they can be made to believe by force.”
    -- Nicolo Machiavelli

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
-- H. L. Mencken


25 posted on 04/25/2007 8:24:14 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: ancient_geezer

Thanks.


26 posted on 04/25/2007 8:39:26 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: jsh3180; DaveLoneRanger; cogitator; neverdem

Pong!


27 posted on 04/25/2007 9:24:21 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (G*d bless and heal Virginia Tech!)
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To: jsh3180

bump for later fun, good post


28 posted on 04/25/2007 9:27:49 AM PDT by Ieatfrijoles (Incinerate Riyadh Now.(Request shot splash))
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To: jsh3180

Wow! I only had to wipe with one square for less than a week and everything is OK now.


29 posted on 04/25/2007 9:29:03 AM PDT by IamConservative (I could never be a liar; there's too much to remember.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

bump — Lindzen is an interesting bird to watch these days.


30 posted on 04/25/2007 12:39:22 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: jsh3180

Nice post.. thanks...


31 posted on 04/25/2007 2:49:15 PM PDT by tje
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To: Always Right

Great interview. Thanks.


32 posted on 04/25/2007 2:56:59 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: jsh3180; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; DaveLoneRanger; Always Right; Ditto; Zon
A counterpoint to some of Dr. Lindzen's statements:

Sure it's inconclusive. It's a very hard thing to analyze because you have to average huge fluctuations over the whole Earth, and 70% of the Earth is oceans where you don't have weather stations. So you get different groups analyzing this. And they're pretty close. One group gets over the last century a warming of about .55 degrees centigrade. Another group says it's .75 degrees.

CP: Furthermore, over the last 25 years, the rate of warming has also been 0.8 degrees (C), much easier to measure because it's a stronger signal.

If you look at the temperature record for the globe over the last six years, it's gone no place.

CP: See point #4 in my profile. This can be said because the 1998 El Nino pulled global temperatures that year 0.2 C above the increasing temperature trendline. 2005, with no El Nino, was basically on the trendline, and was basically as warm as 1998. Thus, the trendline indicates a global temperature increase of about 0.2 C since 1998, consistent with the 0.8 C rise over the past 25 years. 2005-1998 = 7 years. 25/7 = 3.6. 3.6 x 0.2 C = 0.72 C. I presume an MIT professor can do math?

Before he died, Roger Revelle co-authored a popular paper saying, 'We know too little to take any action based on global warming. If we take any action it should be an action that we can justify completely without global warming."

CP: A 1992 article; Lindzen states this as if Revelle's opinion might not have changed with another 15 years of data and observations. And it was co-authored with well-known skeptic S. Fred Singer, who may have substantially determined the tone of the article. Revelle was rightly concerned about the accuracy of climate models in 1992. In response to the libel suit and Singer, Revelle's daughter wrote an op-ed piece entitled "What my Father Really Said". This article can only be obtained by paying the Washington Post. However, the blog article below has excerpts in a comment:

Andrew Bolt Gets a Perfect Score

Excerpt from the article, found in the comment:

"When Revelle inveighed against "drastic" action, he was using that adjective in its literal sense - measures that would cost trillions of dollars. Up until his death, he thought that extreme measures were premature. But he continued to recommend immediate prudent steps to mitigate and delay climatic warming. Some of those steps go well beyond anything Gore or other national politicians have yet to advocate." [In 1992. One of these steps was a $1.00/gallon gas tax.]

They appreciate that Michael Crichton at least included references.

CP: With regard to Crichton's book:

Michael Crichton's State of Confusion

Michael Crichton's State of Confusion II

33 posted on 04/27/2007 8:34:58 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

For anyone reading the post above, I’ll be unavailable for the next 10 days. Talk amongst yourselves.


34 posted on 04/27/2007 8:35:46 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

OK, “CP”, if you want to support a dollar-a-gallon tax increase on gasoline, go for it. I’m not the one who’s going to have to explain to a poor person why he suddenly can’t afford to drive.

And at least stipulate that it go to something useful, like highways, rather than some energy scam like ethanol.


35 posted on 04/27/2007 1:06:15 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (G*d bless and heal Virginia Tech!)
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To: cogitator

Have a good vacation. You will probably need fossil fuels to get where you’re going.


36 posted on 04/27/2007 1:08:03 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (G*d bless and heal Virginia Tech!)
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To: jsh3180

“I think his aim is not to be president. It’s to be a billionaire. “

Al needs to put some ice on this.


37 posted on 04/27/2007 1:26:31 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
You will probably need fossil fuels to get where you’re going.

Still currently unavoidable with available technology. But I am using a MPV.

38 posted on 04/27/2007 2:20:29 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

What does that mean?


39 posted on 04/27/2007 2:27:13 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: jsh3180
Q Some suggest that Roger Revelle, Gore's scientific mentor, would not have agreed with the movie?

A Well, he's dead.

Q Yes. So that makes it harder for him to speak out.

This is where I stopped reading

40 posted on 04/27/2007 2:32:07 PM PDT by Popman (New American Dream: Move to Mexican, cross the border, become an illegal. free everything)
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