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Why Is Pizza Shop Owner That Shot Armed Robber Having to Defend Himself?
Fox News ^
| John Gibson
Posted on 04/25/2007 10:34:29 AM PDT by CCCnative
A story in the San Francisco Chronicle today describes a shooting in East Oakland in which a beloved young rapper was gunned down in the prime of life.
The rapper's nickname was Boonie, and not far from where he was shot dead a memorial has sprung up with flowers and hand-printed messages from his many friends in the neighborhood. "The world's gonna miss u," read one message. ... an Oakland cop actually saying he wants the citizens he is supposed to protect let themselves be victimized rather than defend themselves. Holmgren said: "We're not saying that we want citizens to go out there and arm themselves and take the law into their own hands. We want citizens to be good witnesses, to be good report-takers and to identify suspects."
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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; rapartist; robbery; selfdefense
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I recommend reading the whole article. Self defense seems like it is only justifiable if the other guy shoots first. I suppose the robber could have called ahead and told the owner he was only doing this for show.
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:34:34 AM PDT
by
CCCnative
To: CCCnative
Because a portion of America is insane and has been hoodwinked
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:37:19 AM PDT
by
enough_idiocy
(Communist Goals (1963) Have Come to Fruition Today http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm)
Comment #3 Removed by Moderator
To: CCCnative; DaveLoneRanger
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:39:38 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
(If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
To: CCCnative
Thats what it is coming to, you have to prove you protected your self and only narrowly escaped death. Otherwise you’re going down for manslaughter and the punk that was robbing you will be the victim. Oh, you had better kill him too, else be liable for his medical bills, and stand by to pay his family out in a civil case to.
THIS IS F’N NUTS!!!!
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:39:53 AM PDT
by
chaos_5
To: enough_idiocy
Once again, another superb example of that all important Democratic principle: Talk is precious, action is cheap.
Meanwhile, the punk who put a gun at the business owner’s head is viewed as a good person.
Pretzel logic is alive and well in the Bay area.
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:40:31 AM PDT
by
RexBeach
To: DaveLoneRanger
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:41:34 AM PDT
by
EdReform
(The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed * NRA *JPFO *SAF *GOA* SAS)
To: rrc
The article doesn't say, and it's irrelevant anyway.
They guy's in trouble because he was foolish enough to operate a family business in E. Oakland.
To: CCCnative
But if the cop had been working a second job at his families pizza joint when it got robbed and he felt his family was threatened he would have said it was his duty as a cop to protect his family.
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:44:18 AM PDT
by
ibbryn
(this tag intentionally left blank)
To: CCCnative
We want citizens to be good witnesses..."Officer, you see that dead guy over there on the floor.......Yeah....He's the guy you're looking for."
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:47:30 AM PDT
by
Onelifetogive
(Liberals are willing to sacrifice any amount of someone else's money to increase their own power...)
To: chaos_5
I don't doubt for a New-York-minute that there will likely be an increase in "midnight burials".
Store owners, besieged by idiotic families filing lawsuits for some quick easy cash, will avoid going bankrupt by killing the perp, skip calling the police, quietly clean up, and then make a midnight trip to dump the body somewhere.
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:47:53 AM PDT
by
kromike
To: kromike
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:49:25 AM PDT
by
LIConFem
(Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
To: CCCnative
“to be good report-takers and to identify suspects.”
The perfect “liberal” response,...talk, all talk and nothing but talk. No action, no reality, no pragmatism, no self-defense. Just be a victim even if it causes your own death. Better you than one of the poor “minority” criminal thugs and gansta’s.
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:50:49 AM PDT
by
garyhope
(It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
To: CCCnative
"Holmgren(the chief) said: "We're not saying that we want citizens to go out there and arm themselves and take the law into their own hands. We want citizens to be good witnesses, to be good report-takers and to identify suspects."The law recognizes self defense chief. Excersizing self defense is not taking the law into one's own hands and You're not the law you friggin' idiot.
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:52:18 AM PDT
by
spunkets
("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
To: CCCnative
...Oakland cop actually saying he wants the citizens he is supposed to protect let themselves be victimized rather than defend themselves. Holmgren said: "We're not saying that we want citizens to go out there and arm themselves and take the law into their own hands. We want citizens to be good witnesses, to be good report-takers and to identify suspects." He wants citizens to be murdered in their own homes and businesses. Defending their lives and property against some murdering thug is not "taking the law into their own hands" you stupid jackbooted thug-with-a-badge.
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:52:19 AM PDT
by
lesser_satan
(FRED THOMPSON '08)
To: CCCnative
Here's the link to the video of John Gibon's
My Word on this segment.
Link
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:53:10 AM PDT
by
jazusamo
(http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
To: CCCnative
We want citizens to be good witnesses little lemmings, to be good report-takers boot lickers and to identify suspects." There, fixed it.
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:53:54 AM PDT
by
unixfox
(The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
To: CCCnative
It’s always better to be judged by 12 strangers than carried by 6 friends.
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:56:01 AM PDT
by
fso301
To: chaos_5
I think (legally) the only way you are in “deep crap” is if you shoot the criminal in the back. SOOOOOOO make sure it’s a frontal shot, and empty all rounds into the now DEAD criminal as you will have less of a chance of being sued by CRIMINAL at a later date.
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:56:58 AM PDT
by
PEACE ENFORCER
(Liberals; People That are So Open minded Their Brains Have Fallen Out !)
To: CCCnative
The pizza owner might have had a parade down Market Street in San Francisco. Instead, he's scared. He won't even say he's glad he defended his family, and the cops are saying things like this from Officer Roland Holmgren, who said, "Who knows where the suspects were going to take the situation? But by no stretch of the imagination are we agreeing with or justifying what the owner did."And who knew where Timothy McVeigh was going to take the situation on April 19, 1995 when he decided to take his truck out for a drive?
"We're not saying that we want citizens to go out there and arm themselves and take the law into their own hands. We want citizens to be good witnesses, to be good report-takers and to identify suspects."
Citizens don't need to take the law into their own hands, that's what the police are for. However, citizens need to take their safety into their own hands, which is what the owner did, because it's hard to be a good witness when your body is room temperature.
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posted on
04/25/2007 10:58:28 AM PDT
by
Quick or Dead
(Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms - Aristotle)
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