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Tragic end for woman who said no to cancer treatment to save her unborn son
The Scotsman ^ | 05/17/2007 | FRANK URQUHART

Posted on 05/17/2007 8:28:31 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever

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To: Cicero
God will reward her.

How? If she accepted Jesus, she's saved. If not, she's damned. Anything else she may have done doesn't matter. At least, that's how I understand things work from the explanations I've heard.

If any of you Christians can help me understand where I've gotten things wrong, please feel free, because what I've written there sure doesn't make any sense to me.

21 posted on 05/17/2007 10:20:24 AM PDT by ConfusedAndLovingIt
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt
your absolutely right. we are saved by Christ, not by works.

hopefully she asked Jesus to save her before she died. maybe her "partner" or another family member told her of Christ, we just don't know...

22 posted on 05/17/2007 10:25:26 AM PDT by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: Rutles4Ever; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...

Prayer of Saint Gianna Beretta Molla
Jesus, I promise You to submit myself  to all that You permit to befall me,
 make me only know Your will.

 My most sweet Jesus, infinitely merciful God, most tender Father of souls,
 and in a particular way of the most weak, most miserable, most infirm
 which You carry with special tenderness between Your divine arms,
 I come to You to ask You, through the love and merits of Your Sacred Heart,
 the grace to comprehend and to do always Your holy will,
 the grace to confide in You,
 the grace to rest securely through time and eternity in Your loving divine arms.


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23 posted on 05/17/2007 10:26:34 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt
Don't worry, she's Polish.

99 and 94/100ths are Catholic. She accepted Jesus, she died heroically in defense of His commandments, I think it's pretty clear she's in heavenly glory as we speak, and St. Gianna Molla is giving her a great big hug.

24 posted on 05/17/2007 10:31:42 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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25 posted on 05/17/2007 10:36:05 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Tragic in that her son will not get to meet his mother who loved him this much - IMHO.
This side of eternity anyway...
26 posted on 05/17/2007 10:52:47 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt

That’s not my belief as a Catholic. We believe that when people have to have faith in Jesus with good works to be saved. For example, one couldn’t accept Jesus and go on a murderous rampage and still be saved. Also, while we believe the Church and a life in Christ is the ultimate path to salvation, we realize some people may never have the opportunity to know Christ or Christianity but were still good people. We believe they have a chance to go to Heaven as well.


27 posted on 05/17/2007 10:58:31 AM PDT by Pinkbell (Hunter/Thompson)
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To: SJSAMPLE

St. Gianna Molla. She was Canonized recently.


28 posted on 05/17/2007 10:58:35 AM PDT by Malacoda (A day without a pi$$ed-off muslim is like a day without sunshine.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

This is a definition of a mother, willing to sacrifice even her life for her child, as Jesus sacrificed his life for the salvation of all his children. Prayers for her family, especially her husband and little boy.


29 posted on 05/17/2007 11:00:16 AM PDT by Pinkbell (Hunter/Thompson)
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To: MHGinTN; NeoCaveman; Slip18; sweetliberty; floriduh voter; xsmommy; Rutles4Ever
Hmmmn.

I would have wrote, “Heroic Salvation For Woman Who Sacrificed Her Life For Her Child” ....

But then again, I’m not a pro-abortion-centric (unbiased) MSM headline writer, either......

30 posted on 05/17/2007 11:01:24 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt

I take this as an outward sign of God’s grace. But I don’t think this is an appropriate time to argue about Calvinist notions of superlapsarianism or irresistable grace.

She is a Catholic, and the Catholic Church clearly declared at the Council of Trent that no one can be saved without divine grace, through the saving office of Christ.


31 posted on 05/17/2007 11:03:24 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Rutles4Ever
No greater love hath [woman] than to lay down her life for the innocent. [sic]

Blessed be the Name of God!

32 posted on 05/17/2007 11:04:20 AM PDT by Alkhin (star dust contemplating star dust)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

great point.

If only everyone would realize this and also know that only God does life.

We are all here on earth at His behest to build His kingdom.

I pray for this woman who certainly made the ultimate sacrifice for her child. I hope that she is watching him grow from her vantage point along heaven’s shores.

Blessings to her and to her family and especially to her son who will grow some little while before he comes to know and appreciate how much his mother loved him.


33 posted on 05/17/2007 11:07:26 AM PDT by janereinheimer ((I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.))
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To: Pinkbell

Thank you for the explanation.


34 posted on 05/17/2007 11:16:25 AM PDT by ConfusedAndLovingIt
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To: Cicero
But I don’t think this is an appropriate time to argue ...

I was looking for enlightenment, not an argument. I appreciate your reply, but found it completely incomprehensible.

35 posted on 05/17/2007 11:21:42 AM PDT by ConfusedAndLovingIt
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt

we are saved by Christ, but at the judgement seat, there will be rich rewards for believers for deeds found worthy (done in His name for selfless purposes)


36 posted on 05/17/2007 11:48:51 AM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: 50mm

“Couldn’t have said it any better myself! The protection the placenta provides for the unborn is a great example of Divine design.”

Lol try natural selection.

Mutations involving unprotected placenta wouldn’t reach maturity and reproduce...


37 posted on 05/17/2007 11:53:48 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Capitalism is the economic expression of individual liberty. Pass it on.)
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt

Ah. Well, among other things, Catholics believe in the necessity of grace but not the irresistability of grace. They believe in election of a kind, but not in double election. For instance, they don’t believe that God decreed the damnation of any individual before the creation of the universe. He gave angels and men the freedom to choose, and when men fell He gave them the grace necessary to restore, in large part, that freedom.

God foreknows, but does not decree, damnation.

Oddly enough, although he was strongly anti-Catholic, Milton got it right in Paradise Lost, in large part because he had read Arminius and was familiar with the discussions that took place in Holland at the Council of Dort. God gave human beings free will, enabled by grace and love.

But I don’t think the death of a virtuous woman is the proper moment to argue abstruse theological points.


38 posted on 05/17/2007 12:18:46 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Lord bless this saint


39 posted on 05/17/2007 12:20:04 PM PDT by bedolido (I can forgive you for killing my sons, but I cannot forgive you for forcing me to kill your sons)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Don't worry, she's Polish.

99 and 94/100ths are Catholic. She accepted Jesus, she died heroically in defense of His commandments, I think it's pretty clear she's in heavenly glory as we speak, and St. Gianna Molla is giving her a great big hug.


While I hope this is true she was not married while having sex with her "partner". This is still a mortal sin. I truly and sincerely hope she repented and confessed. However, no matter how great her love for Daniel was, she was still responsible to love God more. One of the ways we love God is by keeping His commandments (John 14:15).
40 posted on 05/17/2007 2:32:10 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse (wahhabi delenda est)
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