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GOP might be happy to let Democrats deal with post-Bush mess
Baltimore Sun ^ | May 23, 2007 | Victor Kamber

Posted on 05/23/2007 7:50:57 AM PDT by rface

Their thinking: Let the Democrats win in 2008. Let them inherit the huge debt, the war and all the problems of eight years of George W. Bush. Let the conservatives, they reason, take this opportunity to rebuild and, by 2012, come roaring back to the White House. If Mr. Goldwater's defeat set conservatives back two decades, think about the Democrats in 2008 and their two talented front-runners, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois. Can you imagine a worse time for the first female president or the first black president - succeeding a man who entered the Oval Office with surpluses as far as the eye could see and leaves it treading water?.....

Why are so many Democrats feeling uneasy about the 2008 elections? Every indication is they're going to win big. Republicans in Congress are sure doing their part to keep Democratic hopes high. Hardly a day passes without the GOP leadership blocking some initiative people desperately want - such as ending the hated Iraq war or refusing to allow the government to negotiate lower drug prices.

Quietly, a group of conservative Republicans who have begun meeting believe that a loss in 2008 might be the best thing that could happen to their movement. They certainly aren't happy with any of the front-runners. To accept any of them would mean a huge compromise - and moreover, these Republicans believe, that compromise candidate would still probably lose the election.

Meanwhile, what's bugging Democrats is the inconvenient truth that the next president will inherit a federal government resembling the Gulf Coast after Hurricane Katrina.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


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1 posted on 05/23/2007 7:51:01 AM PDT by rface
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this strategy would be a big mistake.


2 posted on 05/23/2007 7:51:25 AM PDT by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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To: rface

Utter crap.


3 posted on 05/23/2007 7:51:42 AM PDT by magoo70804
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To: rface

Just crafting their excuses early. Unfortunately for them, they have to win an election first.


4 posted on 05/23/2007 7:52:48 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: rface

No mention of how we’re still trying to undo Clinton’s damage.


5 posted on 05/23/2007 7:53:08 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: rface
If the Democrats do lose, we all know it will be because the election was "stolen" from them.
6 posted on 05/23/2007 7:54:00 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: rface

Not to mention that well over half the article is a flat-out lie. Yes, Bush and the Congress conspired to spend us back into a deficit, but Algore would’ve done any better? Besides, the deficit is closing due to higher tax revenues and the economy, despite the wailing of the MSM’s Greek chorus, is VERY strong.

}:-)4


7 posted on 05/23/2007 7:54:02 AM PDT by Moose4 (Deport 'em. I don't need landscaping and I'll pay more for lettuce.)
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To: rface

It will be even harder to clean up the mess Rats make


8 posted on 05/23/2007 7:54:30 AM PDT by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck.)
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To: rface

I wonder who transcribed this article from the original crayon.


9 posted on 05/23/2007 7:54:42 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: rface

Who wants to bet that this Victor Camber is a democrat? This is a reverse psychology ploy, and it isn’t even subtle.


10 posted on 05/23/2007 7:54:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: rface

He’s a bigtime RAT. I’ll believe it when people I trust confirm it.


11 posted on 05/23/2007 7:54:57 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Who wants to bet that this Victor Camber is a democrat?

No need to guess. He's a well-known RAT consultant.

12 posted on 05/23/2007 7:56:01 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: rface
Hardly a day passes without the GOP leadership blocking some initiative people desperately want - such as ending the hated Iraq war or refusing to allow the government to negotiate lower drug prices.

Bravo Sierra

Stopped reading right here. The people don't desperately want to end the "hated Iraq war" - at least not via surrender the way the dems do. My feeling is that people just want to see real progress towards winning the damn thing. As for allowing the government to negotiate lower drug....are you freaking kidding me?

13 posted on 05/23/2007 7:58:21 AM PDT by frankiep (Beer - the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems)
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To: rface

Victor Kamber is a moron’s MORON. What utter claptrap!


14 posted on 05/23/2007 7:58:31 AM PDT by noname07718
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To: rface
Their thinking: Let the Democrats win in 2008.

They do seem to be going full-bore on that course, don't they?

They're not called 'The Stupid Party' for nothing.

15 posted on 05/23/2007 7:58:42 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: dead

LOL!!!


16 posted on 05/23/2007 7:59:03 AM PDT by frankiep (Beer - the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems)
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To: rface

So privately the GOP is saying, let’s win the presidency by losing? If that’s true then they must be drinking from the Democrat’s kool-aid well.


17 posted on 05/23/2007 7:59:55 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Giving illegal aliens a Z-Visa is like giving the car thief ownership to the vehicle he stole.)
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To: rface
Let the Democrats win in 2008.

They've got to be kidding.

Surrender and bow to Allah? Is that their 2008 campaign slogan? Death to the infidel?

18 posted on 05/23/2007 8:02:52 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s a dimrat alright
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=DC&last=Kamber&first=Victor


19 posted on 05/23/2007 8:03:40 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (The greatest danger to our troops is the Congress of the United States.)
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To: rface

Total Blarney.


20 posted on 05/23/2007 8:04:27 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: rface

This is just push propaganda for those with weak minds.

It is pure orwell.

Defeat is victory.

Big Broghter loves you...


21 posted on 05/23/2007 8:04:30 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: dead
I wonder who transcribed this article from the original crayon.

This certainly explains the utterly looney bunch of claptrap in this article.

22 posted on 05/23/2007 8:04:34 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: rface
succeeding a man who entered the Oval Office with surpluses as far as the eye could see

Bald faced lie. There never was any surplus. Never. All accounting smoke and mirrors, with a liberal (pun intended) dose of media hype from the Clinton sycophants.

23 posted on 05/23/2007 8:05:41 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s
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To: rface
this strategy would be a big mistake.

Well, given that the author is obviously a victim of Bush Derangement Syndrome and an extreme leftist, his speculation on the GOP strategy along with his assessment of the current state of affairs only amounts to a liberal wet dream induced by wild delusions.

24 posted on 05/23/2007 8:07:34 AM PDT by VRWCmember (We don't have many sheep, but there are lots of goats and cows down here.)
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To: rface

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Kamber

... a Republican labor union activist?
Now there’s a rare bird.


25 posted on 05/23/2007 8:11:34 AM PDT by shove_it (old Old Guardsman)
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To: rface

The dems are terrified of holding all three branches of gvt without having forced a withdrawal in Iraq before 2008. The surrender would then be firmly on their shoulders.


26 posted on 05/23/2007 8:13:26 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: shove_it

Yeah inheriting the strongest economy in the last 20 yrs is really tough hmmm


27 posted on 05/23/2007 8:14:03 AM PDT by italianquaker ("blue dog democrats", that dog don't hunt)
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To: Chi-townChief

Bingo!


28 posted on 05/23/2007 8:17:01 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: rface
think about the Democrats in 2008 and their two talented front-runners, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois.

Oh, yes, political heavyweights, both of them. Lots of qualifications, lots of political experience, lots of "talent." Hillary's only qualification is that she is married to the worst president in history, and Barack's only accomplishment is that he belongs to a qualified victim group and is entitled to the fast track.

Ugh. The only thing that could get hillary elected is if the Republicans self-destruct, which I'm afraid is not entirely unlikely.

Go, Fred.

29 posted on 05/23/2007 8:17:17 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rface
Why are so many Democrats feeling uneasy about the 2008 elections? Every indication is they're going to win big.

Not that I've heard.

I do hope the Republicans warn the illegal immigrants (registered to vote by the left wing Soros groups) about the penalties of getting caught voting in our countries elections.
The left registered millions of illegals over the past few years, and they're voting (they're being called for jury duty as registered voters and admitting they vote but are not citizens).
Millions of left wing votes are invalid. Without voter ID, the illegals (dead/nonexistent people and animals) can continue to vote until something is done to save our electoral system.

30 posted on 05/23/2007 8:17:20 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: frankiep
"My feeling is that people just want to see real progress towards winning the damn thing."

I agree; the public supported the war, even with no WMDs, until it started going sour and it seemed we were making no progress. I think the public actually understands the need for systemic change in the Middle East far better than the Democratic leadership does. For the Dems, everything is always Bush, Bush, Bush, politics, politics, politics.
31 posted on 05/23/2007 8:20:01 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: shove_it

Vic Kamber has been a liberal Republican, pro-union, activist and consultant for at least 25 years. Not so much these days, but he got a fair amount of “talking head” TV time throughout the 1980’s. He used to do a lot of guesting on the original “Crossfire” with Buchanan and Braden.


32 posted on 05/23/2007 8:20:20 AM PDT by DangerDanger ("I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: rface

Pre-emptive surrender. Can this nation stand any more “turnover” elections of this scope?

As a nation, we are sure to be either stomped in the mud, or end up fracturing into a series of balkanized states, if we are to depend on the Democraticans to be the stewards of the “shining city on the hill”.

Aztlán is sure to become a reality if this border security thing is left up to the Democraticans. And the events of 9-11 will pale in comparison to the obliteration of much of the rest of New York City, Chicago and Los Angeles, plus probably a dozen or more other major metropolitan centers, if the Democraticans are in charge of national defense.

Argentina and Brazil will seem to be towers of economic soundness and prudence compared to the fiscal and commercial collapse of this nation as rampant taxation and government control once again become the normal way of doing business in this country.

And you thought it might only be Social Security that collapsed.


33 posted on 05/23/2007 8:20:35 AM PDT by alloysteel (For those who cannot turn back time, there is always the option of re-writing history.)
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To: rface
entered the Oval Office with surpluses as far as the eye could see

This reporter must have had someone transcribe his braille typing into this stupid piece of fantasy.

34 posted on 05/23/2007 8:21:02 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: freespirited

If THIS guy is a RAT consultant...let’s hope he does lots of work for the RATS! What pure childish bilge.


35 posted on 05/23/2007 8:22:14 AM PDT by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Camber has always reminded me of a union/mob thug.


36 posted on 05/23/2007 8:22:31 AM PDT by katykelly
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To: rface

I remember during the Florida election battle in 2000 that whoever won might wish he hadn’t - the economy was tanking and the Israeli situation was heating up again. And 9/11 hadn’t even happened. (After 9/11, someone went back to the 2000 presidental debates and found that terrorism was hardly mentioned at all, was not perceived as a big threat at the time.) So maybe there is something to be gained by losing at the right time.


37 posted on 05/23/2007 8:24:29 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: rface

The Republicans always find a reason to want to lose.

It’s amazing they’ve lasted this long.


38 posted on 05/23/2007 8:25:48 AM PDT by Basheva
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To: rhombus
Just crafting their excuses early

Bingo

39 posted on 05/23/2007 8:26:14 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: rface
Why are so many Democrats feeling uneasy about the 2008 elections? Every indication is they're going to win big. Republicans in Congress are sure doing their part to keep Democratic hopes high. Hardly a day passes without the GOP leadership blocking some initiative people desperately want - such as ending the hated Iraq war or refusing to allow the government to negotiate lower drug prices.

The Democrats are feeling uneasy, because the public is fed up with Congress in general. The Republicans took the brunt of that ire in the last election because they were the majority party. They supposedly had the power to do something productive.

So they put a bunch more Democrats in office and the public approval ratings for Congress went up a little bit for a little while.

However, the Democrats only consistent policy has been to oppose Bush. Now that they are in power in Congress, they are doing even worse than the Republicans. Congress' approval ratings have dropped even below Bush's low approval ratings.

The Democrats got into power because the public rejected what the Republicans were doing as a majority party. Now they are showing possibly an even greater level of rejection toward the Democrats.

I suspect that there are a number of incumbent politician who had though they had their offices locked in for life that are now feeling nervous.

America is not happy with their representatives in general, and it is pretty much a tossup at this point as to which party they might choose to reject more in the next election.

40 posted on 05/23/2007 8:26:27 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: rface

Yah, the Democrats should just sit this one out, governing is such a burden especially this mess. BTW just don’t throw me into the briar patch.


41 posted on 05/23/2007 8:28:01 AM PDT by Theophilus (Nothing can make Americans safer than to stop aborting them.)
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To: rface

Yeah, Just the way the Republicans cleaned up FDR’s New Deal mess, or LBJ’s Great Society mess or Jimmy Carter’s total mess or...........


42 posted on 05/23/2007 8:31:12 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: rface

This kind of idiot thinking deserves a swift kick in the ass.

Win by losing?

Yeah right.


43 posted on 05/23/2007 8:31:26 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: alloysteel
And you thought it might only be Social Security that collapsed.

Imagine the tax increase that will be necessary to support 12,000,000 new immigrants. Then add their families expenses to that number.
Now add the price of unfettered universal health care for every human in the country.

All paid for by 48% of the nation - the U.S. taxpayer.

44 posted on 05/23/2007 8:31:32 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: rface

Baltimore Sun.....that’s all I need to see to know this story rates lower than Whale Shit.


45 posted on 05/23/2007 8:32:29 AM PDT by docman57 (Retired but still on Duty)
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To: rface

46 posted on 05/23/2007 8:34:33 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

He needs to review that focus group done right next door.Nobody liked a democrat for pres. We are headed to another massive landslide against Dems who seem to have combined all of their big losing elections into one giant suicide mission. We have the antiwar of McGovern plus the tax hikes of Mondale and Hillarycare all wrapped up in one.


47 posted on 05/23/2007 8:49:35 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: docman57
Baltimore Sun.....

That's the first thing I noticed. I knew the article was going to sound like a democrat infomercial before I even read it. If it's an "I hate everything but myself" article - it's left wing.

My daughter was taking a sample college entry exam handed out by our local college. She was shocked at how negative every question was (We home school, so we're not used to all that negativity). For example, there was a reading comprehension segment about picnics. Instead of stating how pleasant picnics were, the paragraph talked about the torrid temperatures, ants, and summer molds more than the great food prepared for the adventure. It was supposedly a positive read, but the NEA just had to add some type of misery to the mental picture.
You wouldn't believe the segment they had about Harlem! You'd think America treated the poor no different than the Jews during the Holocaust.
I don't think the lefties like anything. They must wake up every morning and make a list of all the things they're going to hate for the day.

48 posted on 05/23/2007 8:52:03 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: rface

nothing did more to fuel the conservative movement than four years of Jimmy Carter, so I do see the logic in their point.

Unfortunately, this time around none of us might be alive in 4 yrs. to elect the next Reagan.


49 posted on 05/23/2007 8:55:40 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: All
I don't buy into this all that much but it looks like I might be the only person that doesn't think it's totally loony.

Firstly note in the 3rd paragraph he says "a group of conservative Republicans". Conservative.

Now what has a republican majority gotten us in the last 7 years. Other than SCOTUS appointments not much in my book. Free drugs, CFR, the lack of any kind of border enforcement, education bills and so on. With these kinds of friends....

True we do have the WoT but has it been prosecuted as vigorously as it really needs to be? The way to win a war is to kill a boatload of the enemy until there aren't any more or he's lost the will to fight. I would argue that no war has been won any other way.

It wouldn't seem that we've always fought with that purpose in mind.

True we got tax cuts. Temporary tax cuts. Reagan got tax cuts and didn't control the house. They were scared of him.

The question is do we need to lose to win? I have a hard time swallowing that but on the other hand forget Goldwater, I think Reagan got elected because Ford didn't win and we got peanut brain.

But the big one is what the enemy could do in four years. But then Iraq and Korea have the bomb, or will have it soon...all under a republican administration.

Got ahead, tar 'n feather me.

50 posted on 05/23/2007 9:11:01 AM PDT by Proud_texan (Just my opinion, no relationship to reality is expressed or implied.)
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