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Putin the Terrible, we love you
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1844508.ece ^ | May 27, 2007 | Mark Franchetti

Posted on 05/28/2007 2:00:00 AM PDT by RusIvan

Two days after the Crown Prosecution Service announced that Andrei Lugovoi, the former KGB agent, should be charged with the murder of his old colleague Alexan-der Litvinenko and demanded that Russia extradite him to face trial in Britain, I bumped into a Russian friend: worldly, pro-western and a fluent English speaker who has travelled dozens of times abroad.

I asked him who he thought had ordered the murder of Litvinenko, a fierce Kremlin critic who died of a massive polonium210 dose in London six months ago. My friend had no doubts. “Boris Berezovsky of course,” he said forcefully. It was the exiled oligarch and foe of Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, who had smuggled polonium into Britain and ordered his protégé’s death. Why? To sully Russia’s image in the West.

However absurd that seems, many Russians would agree. Even in exile Berezovsky, once one of Moscow’s most powerful political players, is regarded as a Machiavellian figure whose influence, they believe, knows no boundaries. Those who do not share that view, including Litvinenko’s first wife, believe he was instead killed by the CIA or MI5, enemies of Russia bent on weakening it just as it is becoming strong again. Few here suspect the FSB, as the KGB is now known, or the Kremlin. Too small a fish for them to get involved, they argue.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: putin; russia
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To: abigailsmybaby

The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle
factory in Venezuela to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.==

Accualy they build the AK-103 factory. AK-47 is long gone. And they pay Russia US dollars. It is the major WHY.


81 posted on 05/29/2007 1:12:35 AM PDT by RusIvan (The western MSM zombies the western publics.)
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To: freeforall

Who cares whether he is Jefferson or Washington?
To Russians, Putin is highly respect as he has restored stability to the country, put the economy on a high growth path with improved living standards and restored a degree of respect to the nations image after years of looting under Yeltsin. As for being facist, it is just a exaggerated ridiculous allegation, Putin would still win in a landslide under a free and fair elections.


82 posted on 05/29/2007 5:51:49 AM PDT by GregH
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To: M. Espinola

I don’t believe in Berezovsky;’s fairy tales. Too bad that you do.


83 posted on 05/29/2007 5:54:06 AM PDT by Diocletian
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To: GregH
Defense of tyranny is no virtue and the defense of freedom is no vice. The fact that the trains run on time is of little interest to me. All humans have the right to be free regardless of the leaders building of great monuments.
84 posted on 05/29/2007 8:45:54 AM PDT by freeforall (Answers are a burden for oneself, questions are a burden for others.)
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To: Roy Tucker
You may want to read the texts of the Potsdam Treaty and the Yalta Conference.

I'm not defending the Iron Curtain or communism, but its existence was not a one way street.

85 posted on 05/29/2007 2:14:54 PM PDT by instantgratification
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To: Diocletian

Not really. Soviet mentality still rules virtually all the FSU.


86 posted on 05/29/2007 2:16:15 PM PDT by instantgratification
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To: Diocletian
I think Yeltsin's legacy is mixed. Had there been no Yeltsin, the coup very well may have succeeded.

However, Yeltsin never rose, mentally, above the level of a mid level apparatchik. He also faced a virtual war against communists who continued to control the Duma. Communists whose motto was, and remains "the worse for you, the better for us". Yes, Yeltsin made mistakes. But given the opposition he faced, I don't think many politicians could have been successful in those tumultuous times. I also think Western advisors, such as Jeffrey Sachs, and the "shock therapy" imposed on Russia on the advise of idiots like Gaidar, Yavlinsky and of course, the IMF, didn't help matters much.

87 posted on 05/29/2007 2:22:15 PM PDT by instantgratification
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To: Roy Tucker
I read that speech, in Russian. I think it has been taken out of context in the Western press.

The point Putin was making was not about a nostalgia for the USSR, but of the calamity of the Soviet collapse.

The health care system collapsed. TB and cholera, virtually unknown in Soviet times, made major comebacks. AIDS exploded.

Old women were found murdered on the street, their apartments stolen by mafiosi. Others, unable to live on pensions, begged on the streets. Physicians, teachers, and factory workers worked but were unpaid for months, in some regions, years. Girls were sold into prostitution across the world (which is still occurring). Babies were sold for adoption without parents' consent, and child pornography exploded.

Education, particularly at the primary and secondary levels, which was always superior from a technical perspective, deteriorated.

The former nomenklatura stole state assets, and moved their billions offshore, where it could not aid the average person; No government income to pay state salaries or maintain infrastructure, healthcare, or schooling.

Ukraine became, and remains, a major sex tour destination for Western men.

Now, having lived in the Soviet Union, I am no apologist for communism. But these massive social upheavals, many instigated or aided by the commies who still controlled the Duma, had a significant deleterious effect on the Russian (and other FSU republic) population. On the peoples' healths, their psyches, their lives. And many of these social problems did not exist in the USSR. That was Putin's point; There was a different, more humane way to implement change.

88 posted on 05/29/2007 2:39:58 PM PDT by instantgratification
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To: instantgratification

Oops - “advice”, not “advise”


89 posted on 05/29/2007 2:53:20 PM PDT by instantgratification
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To: freeforall
Defense of tyranny is no virtue and the defense of freedom is no vice. The fact that the trains run on time is of little interest to me. All humans have the right to be free regardless of the leaders building of great monuments.

Try not and place your worldview onto others.

90 posted on 05/29/2007 3:02:17 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Diocletian
"I don’t believe in Berezovsky;’s fairy tales. Too bad that you do."

Your 'hero' Putin with Iran's top terrorist.

Hamas terrorists have an office in Moscow

Russian Tor M-1 anti-missile batteries protect Iranian nuclear weapons sites & also Russian nuclear 'advisers'.

91 posted on 05/29/2007 3:16:47 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola

This coming from a guy who supports a country that is giving Bosnia and Albania to Muslims. LOL


92 posted on 05/29/2007 3:58:57 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Diocletian
The truth hurts relating to Putin supporting terrorist exporting Iran, so you duck reality and switch the topic, typical Neo-Soviet tactics.

You would fit in on the Nashi websites, Putin lap dog.

93 posted on 05/29/2007 4:26:31 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola

Sure thing, Jihadi-enabler.


94 posted on 05/29/2007 4:47:40 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Diocletian

The history of the world shows that dictators do impose a view on others.


95 posted on 05/29/2007 5:15:12 PM PDT by freeforall (Answers are a burden for oneself, questions are a burden for others.)
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To: freeforall

That’s true. And some prefer that....the term is “enlightened despotism”.


96 posted on 05/29/2007 5:24:33 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Diocletian

The Jihadi-enabler (Putin) is your hero.

Die hard communists embrace

(The Evil Empire never left)

97 posted on 05/29/2007 5:25:13 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: instantgratification

“I’m not defending the Iron Curtain or communism, but its existence was not a one way street.”

Yes, you are with your moral equivalence. Compare the prosperity and freedom enjoyed by Western Europe as a result of American influence compared to those in Eastern Europe. The Soviets could have made the same choices, but didn’t.


98 posted on 05/29/2007 5:45:09 PM PDT by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality"--Ayn Rand)
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To: instantgratification

“It must be admitted that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,” Mr. Putin said in his annual state of the nation address to Parliament on Monday.

Please defend statement.

How can the collapse of the Soviet Union be compared to the tragedies of WWI and WWII and their aftermath with over 100 million people killed by Communists and Fascists such as Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Tojo and Hitler. It was only the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century for the Soviets in power. Mr. Putin clearly has no sense of history or perspective beyond his own narrow interests.


99 posted on 05/29/2007 5:53:44 PM PDT by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality"--Ayn Rand)
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To: Diocletian

Like Napoleon maybe? Socialism is evil whether it is national or international.


100 posted on 05/29/2007 5:54:07 PM PDT by freeforall (Answers are a burden for oneself, questions are a burden for others.)
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