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Bush Fears For Nation’s Soul; Peggy Noonan Fears For Bush’s Soul
Political Mavens/Jewish World Review ^ | June 4, 2007

Posted on 06/04/2007 6:14:33 AM PDT by theothercheek

In an interview aboard Air Force One last week with Ron Hutcheson of McClatchy Newspapers, President Bush said:

"I'm deeply concerned about America losing its soul. Immigration has been the lifeblood of a lot of our country's history. And I am worried that a backlash to newcomers would cause our country to lose its great capacity to assimilate newcomers. And I believe that a newly arrived adds to the vigor and the entrepreneurial spirit, and enhances the American Dream."

These sentiments, coupled with Bush’s suggestion that opponents of his compromised immigration compromise "don't want to do what's right for America," are driving conservatives to apoplexy. The Wall Street Journal’s Peggy Noonan contends that Bush broke faith with conservatives, not the other way around:

Leading Democrats often think their base is slightly mad but at least their heart is in the right place. This White House thinks its base is stupid and that its heart is in the wrong place. …

You don't like endless gushing spending … Too bad! You don't like expanding governmental authority and power? Too bad. You think the war was wrong or is wrong? Too bad.

But on immigration it has changed from "Too bad" to "You're bad."

Noonan makes the case that it’s déjà vu all over again:

[T]he Bushes, father and son … are great wasters of political inheritance. They throw it away as if they'd earned it and could do with it what they liked. Bush senior inherited a vibrant country and a party at peace with itself. … Mr. Bush won in 1988 by saying he would govern as Reagan had. … [H]e raised taxes, sundered a hard-won coalition, and found himself shocked to lose his party the presidency, and for eight long and consequential years. ….

Bush the younger came forward, presented himself as a conservative, garnered all the frustrated hopes of his party, turned them into victory, and not nine months later was handed a historical trauma that left his country rallied around him, lifting him, and his party bonded to him. He was disciplined and often daring, but in time he sundered the party that rallied to him, and broke his coalition into pieces. …

There’s only one thing conservatives and Republicans can do now, says Noonan: “[W]in back their party.” She adds that “breaking from those who have already broken from [you]” and “letting go … will be painful, but it's time. It's more than time.”

The question is, how?

Deep down – maybe not so deep down – conservatives always knew Bush was a pretender, mouthing the right words and making the right gestures. But conservatives voted for him anyway, the first time to pre-empt a third Clinton term and the second time because the thought of Kerry as a post-9/11 Commander in Chief was nightmare-inducing.

This was a shot-gun wedding and after eight years of Bush, conservatives are understandably gun-shy. But holding out for an imaginary ideal of ideological purity is not the answer. And allowing Hillary Clinton to capture the White House by staying home on Election Day is not an option.

There may be a third way: A new conservative coalition that crosses party lines to include anyone who considers himself center-right. Such a coalition could as easily support a conservative Republican as a “Blue Dog” Democrat. Since neither party would be able to count on the bipartisan bloc’s vote, both will court these voters and neither will take them for granted. As an added benefit, the sheer size of this bipartisan bloc may be an equal and opposing force against the inexorable leftward pull the moonbats are exerting on the Dem party platform.

Of the 19 declared presidential candidates as of this writing, Rudy Giuliani is the most logical choice to forge this new coalition of conservatives. He is enough of a social liberal to attract Reagan Democrats, and tough enough on crime and terrorism – with the added bonus of being fiscally conservative – to attract conservatives who are putting social issue on the back burner this time around.

Over the next 18 months, several home-grown Muslim terror plots are likely to come to light - such as the thwarted plan to blow up aviation fuel tanks and feeder lines running underground from New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport through surrounding residential neighborhoods in Queens. Each time, more social conservatives will conclude that preventing the aborting of the lives of those already born in acts of terrorism is at least as important as preventing the aborting of unborn babies.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; aliens; conservatives; elections; giuliani; illegalaliens; illigalimmigration; immigrantlist; rudygiuliani; shotgunwedding
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To: nonsporting

We can rally around winning the war that Bush made a hash of and we can rally around stopping Islamofascism and homegrown terrorism and we can rally around stopping runaway spending in Washington. Not every conservative is a social conservative - and this election is starting to show that. But if we succeed in creating a coalition that crosses party lines, the next candidate we support could be a conservative Dem like a Zell Miller. There’s strength in numbers.


51 posted on 06/04/2007 7:05:43 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: Joe Brower
Yes. But what the U.S. is undergoing is an illegal invasion, not "immigration".

Spot on! Prior waves of imigration were people who wanted to be part of the American dream. Not migrant workers who wave foreign flags while shouting about how rotten our country is and demanding taxpayer funded entitlements. Big difference there.

52 posted on 06/04/2007 7:07:08 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

But if you voted for Bush you voted for someone who does not appear to care about our nation’s sovereignty or the rule of law.


53 posted on 06/04/2007 7:08:47 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: alicewonders

Me too. Removed all kinds of things I had for Bush. I will save them however, because they might be worth a fortune one day due to the turn this President made and how he betrayed those of us who fought like hell for him and defended him so fiercly. Sad but true.


54 posted on 06/04/2007 7:10:29 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Double Tap

In her original article, Peggy Noonan never mentioned Rooty, this piece has been skewed to help Rooty. Shameless.


55 posted on 06/04/2007 7:11:04 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: Moose4

Conservatives will never “take back” the GOP because as Bush has so clearly demonstrated it was never really ours to begin with. Any GOP candidate who wants to win our votes just tells us what we want to hear then does what he damn well pleases when he doesn’t need us anymore. Conservatives in the Republican party are like Blacks in the Dem party. Taken for granted, then discarded as soon as it’s expedient. This has to stop.


56 posted on 06/04/2007 7:11:59 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: Badeye

Among the nine dwarves who are running, she will win the nomination. And she has the money and the political organization to crush anyone who opposes her - unless that candidate can match her in both.


57 posted on 06/04/2007 7:13:46 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: A Strict Constructionist; jveritas
"Can one be a good Christian and lie to the people about this issue?"

I've read a lot of the books by Corrie Ten Boom, who hid Jews in Holland during WW2. Sometimes to do so, she had to lie to the authorities.

In this case, I don't think Bush is acting on Christian Principles, but obtaining cheap labor for his buddies. While I'm not a Bibical Scholar, I know both New and Old Testaments say a lot about "Crapth Not on ye nations poor, for thou willist offend me and I will go a smothing and such".

58 posted on 06/04/2007 7:14:21 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Those BP guys will do more prison time than many convicted Japanese war criminals ...thanks Bush!)
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To: cripplecreek

A corporation. On illegal immigration, the Reps are just as corrup as the Dems. Maybe more so.


59 posted on 06/04/2007 7:14:40 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: tumblindice

This just about says it all, thanks.


60 posted on 06/04/2007 7:15:17 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: USS Alaska

The original article by Peggy Noonan was great. The writers of this piece have done what Rooty supporters have been up to for months.

They have quoted pieces of her article and added their own pieces to it to make it appear she is pushing Rooty.

This needs to be pointed out.


61 posted on 06/04/2007 7:15:42 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: SE Mom
Assimilate? In central Florida where I live the only assimilation I’m seeing is OURS- we are BEING ASSIMILATED by a foreign culture and language. In my neighborhood the swimming pool is full of people who play LOUD Latino? Mexican? music all day and late into the night on weekends...and not one of them speaks a word of English. 2 years ago, the pool area had a mixed group- a variety of blacks, whites and latinos. Everyone had fun together..now there is no variety- only those who will not assimilate.

It's that way in my small Georgia city, too. I don't have to vaction in Mexico anymore- just open my window.

And no, they are not assimilating.

62 posted on 06/04/2007 7:16:19 AM PDT by backhoe (Fred Thompson- because No Other will Do...)
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To: theothercheek

Of the 19 declared presidential candidates as of this writing, Rudy Giuliani is the most logical choice to forge this new coalition of conservatives.


That Noonan gal will surely hack off some true believers if’n she jumps on this boat.........


63 posted on 06/04/2007 7:18:15 AM PDT by deport ( Cue Spooky Music...)
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To: cubreporter

The trouble is that our immigration laws are being written for the convenience of the aliens, not the citizens. Instead of matching the number of people and skills needed to the number of employers who have available jobs for them, we are concerned with bringing extended families over. If you want to come here for whatever reason, you must give up something. That something may be living with part or all of your family or having to learn English or having to take off the burka.


64 posted on 06/04/2007 7:19:12 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: investigateworld
In this case, I don't think Bush is acting on Christian Principles, but obtaining cheap labor for his buddies.

Agreed. This is just a payoff to the agribusinesses that contributed to his last election campaign. It lets them off the hook for all past wrongdoing in knowingly hiring illegals. It's really a Trojan Horse amnesty for them.

I cannot wait for Bush's job approval ratings to come out. Even among those who support the way the war in Iraq is going, there must be some serious disapproval of this amnesty, and his rating will plumment to a level not seen in any previous Presidency.

Maybe then, Jorge will get the message...

65 posted on 06/04/2007 7:19:20 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: claudiustg

THe North American Trade Zone is Bush’s baby. And no president can change the constitution without Congress, nor can he interfere with states rights. Rest assured, Rudy cannot take away your guns as president. Locally elected legislators can - and do - pass laws that restrict gun ownership so save your energies for dealing with them and don’t fight a phantom.


66 posted on 06/04/2007 7:23:14 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: A Strict Constructionist

Some “good Christians” feel that it is their duty as Christians to harbor illegals.


67 posted on 06/04/2007 7:24:18 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: Badeye
She’s not electable nationwide.

Believe that at your own peril.

That thought could lead to a very unhappy shock one Wednesday morning in Nov. 2008.

68 posted on 06/04/2007 7:25:17 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: theothercheek
...social conservatives will conclude that preventing the aborting of the lives of those already born in acts of terrorism is at least as important as preventing the aborting of unborn babies.

What a false dichotomy! Not gonna happen.

69 posted on 06/04/2007 7:26:38 AM PDT by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: atomicpossum

Noonan said the break up will be painful. Think of Rudy as our rebound candidate. He can get moderate and conservative Dems to join the coalition, which means that conservatives are now divorced from any one party. If Rudy governs as a conservative and appoints strict construcitonist judges, he gets re-elected. But if we can show our non-party affiliated clout in 2008, in 2012 and subsequent elections the both Dem and Republican candidates who are vying for our votes will be increasingly more and more hewing to our ideals. It will be a long process, yes, but it beats staying home on election day and getting 8 years of Hillary.


70 posted on 06/04/2007 7:28:29 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: tgusa

Agreed. It sounded good when he said it. I didn’t understand the implications.


71 posted on 06/04/2007 7:29:27 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: indylindy

Fraudulent article?


72 posted on 06/04/2007 7:29:39 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: alicewonders

How do you know that the “conservative” you want to vote for is telling you the truth. How do you know he’s not really another Bush in disguise. I am sick and tired of people tricking me out of my vote. I know that I disagree with Giuliani on abortion, guns and a whole bunch of other issues but I also agree with him on terrorism and other issues. If he tells me where he stands at least I know what I am gettinggo in to the voting booth with eyes wide open. Instead of being lied to until election day and then feeling used, abused and abandoned the way I do with Bush.


73 posted on 06/04/2007 7:33:04 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: FreedomPoster
The writer is either an idiot or disingenuous. Rudy Guliani is *not* a conservative.

He'd be better classed as a 'Law & Order Liberal.'

74 posted on 06/04/2007 7:34:10 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: SE Mom
Sometimes it truly does seem as though our president is not living in the same country as the rest of us...

Indeed, he is not.

75 posted on 06/04/2007 7:36:13 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: atomicpossum

Yes, I think that’s pretty accurate.

He’s reasonably fiscally conservative, too, from what I can tell.


76 posted on 06/04/2007 7:36:42 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: MBB1984

I have read many articles about how Rudy governed in New York. He is actually more conservative than Bush. Hard to believe, but true. Don’t just judge him on social conservative issues. Plus, we’re in the middle of a war and terrorists living among us are plotting to kill us by the score. I am willing to let go of labels and vote for the man I think will save our nation from Islamofascism. Once we are again in an era of peace and prosperity I will worry about the other issues I care about. I am not the only conservative - or FR conservative - who feels this way.


77 posted on 06/04/2007 7:37:12 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: theothercheek
You’d think he would have figured out that we aren’t stupid after the Harriet Myers debacle.

He's still in the Whitehouse, isn't he? He's the president, "Decider" - what's he got to lose?

78 posted on 06/04/2007 7:38:48 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: theothercheek

Let’s be realistic about this. Our choices were between Bush/Gore and Bush/Kerry. Either Gore or Kerry would have been disastrous for this country. Has Bush been disastrous? Debatable and a moot point anyway - but it’s clear that we MUST make ourselves heard in the Republican primaries. Staying home is NOT an option.


79 posted on 06/04/2007 7:39:18 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: piytar

See I don’t think I am getting fooled. The Bushes lied to me to get my vote. With Giuliani I know EXACTLY what I am getting. I am choosing to put national security over abortion this election cycle, as are other conservatives. Does a terrorist group REALLY have to blow up an airport for everyone to wake up and smell the coffee?


80 posted on 06/04/2007 7:40:11 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: don-o

Thank you. I noticed the same thing. Now Noonan is being flamed for words that she did not say.

This has been a Rooty Rooter stunt for a long time. Irritating.


81 posted on 06/04/2007 7:40:18 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: popdonnelly

“I’m deeply concerned about America losing its soul. Immigration has been the lifeblood of a lot of our country’s history........................”

I have supported this president through thick and thin, given him a pass many times, but this is the end. What does this man not understand about the difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL! There has always been immigration, but not ILLEGAL immigration. This is as frustrating to me as when a liberal claims to support the troops, but not the war. I am a descendent of immigrants who came here before the United States was even a country. My ancestors fought in George Washington’s army, likely at Valley Forge. Their sacrifices were not made so this president can hand this great country over to a foreign nation such as Mexico

Call your reps. and tell them how you feel about giving this country over to a bunch of law breaking invaders.


82 posted on 06/04/2007 7:42:37 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("life is dangerous")
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To: ClaireSolt

You see the possibilities in the concept of conservatives freeing themselves from the Republican party - and of moderate and conservative Dems freeing themselves of the moonbats in their party. But if not Rudy who in your opinion of the 19 candidates running is the right person to create this new voting bloc and get enough people in both parties to vote for him as to create instant clout?


83 posted on 06/04/2007 7:43:07 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: TaxxMann

LOL! I had forgotten about that. Yup, we all see how well THAT turned out!


84 posted on 06/04/2007 7:44:23 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: tgusa

Unlike some conservatives, I just don’t think Rudy would be as disasterous to our country as Gore or Kerry. And I can also say he won’t be as disasterous as Bush has been. And if Hillary is the candidate on the Dem side, I would have no trouble pulling the lever for Rudy because I think he can send her packing back to Chappaqua.


86 posted on 06/04/2007 7:48:17 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: theothercheek

“Each time, more social conservatives will conclude that preventing the aborting of the lives of those already born in acts of terrorism is at least as important as preventing the aborting of unborn babies.”

That is ridiculous, it is not as important. Not only do the numbers speak for themselves (1.5 million defenseless boys and girls killed every year in the U.S. vs a little over 3000 killed by terrorists in 6 years in the U.S.)

That’s what evil does, it tries to convince us it is good. Why would anyone in their right mind discount the repercussions of the evil of abortion. We kill more people in one single day than have been killed in 6 years by terrorism in the U.S. Where is the the implied conclusion that social conservatives will believe abortion pales in comparison to terrorism?


87 posted on 06/04/2007 7:49:35 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: theothercheek

Absolutely. However, we cave to demands all the time EXCEPT to help our own citizens.


88 posted on 06/04/2007 7:50:56 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: cubreporter
Great summary of necessities.
89 posted on 06/04/2007 7:51:41 AM PDT by mcshot ("Some are inert and some are ert" military training truism from Pvt Benjamin)
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To: popdonnelly
We lost our ability to assimilate newcomers when we lost control over our border.

Not really. we lost the ability to assimilate when we became unsure of who we are. when you don't know where your home is --- one half of the country thinks it is the entire world; they are world citizens, you see --- you can't differentiate a family member from a stranger. You end up with many strangers. We lost control over the border because we lost control of American values and no longer teach them to the children.

One cannot protect what one does not know. Americans have not been protecting American ever since Vietnam War. That is why the war is coming closer, and great many strangers from Mexico sit at our dinner tables.

90 posted on 06/04/2007 7:52:34 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: Sloth

Wait till a cell of suicide bombers blow themselves up in the middle of Grand Central Station in NYC. The massive loss of life (including pregnant women), the exhorbitant cost to repair the infrastructure, the collapse of the financial markets, your 401K losing 80 percent of its value overnight.


91 posted on 06/04/2007 7:53:10 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: theothercheek

He’s either psychotic or lying. I choose lying.


92 posted on 06/04/2007 7:55:32 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for the truth will know the truth.)
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To: theothercheek

It is too soon to be sure, but Romney looks like he came straight out of central casting, to me. As the chairman of the R’s said in SC, he’s “perfect”, almost too good to be true. I really don’t care about the ankle biting the media does on his religion or issues. He has the best education America can offer, a stunning story of personal and professional sucess, and is a wonderful exemplar of family values.


93 posted on 06/04/2007 7:55:35 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Double Tap

Who would be your choice to free conservatives from the yoke of the Republican party and create a new bipartisan conservative coaltion? The idea is sound, I think, but Rudy doesn’t HAVE to be the one to rally behind (though I am leaning in his direction as of now). Who do you think is the right guy?


94 posted on 06/04/2007 7:55:41 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: ClaireSolt

I don’t trust him, sorry. He’s exactly who I had in mind when I said I am tired of getting tricked out of my vote.


95 posted on 06/04/2007 7:56:45 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: theothercheek

President Bush is a full-on bleeding heart liberal, he’s lost his brain.


96 posted on 06/04/2007 7:59:14 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: theothercheek
Bush has not been disastrous to our country, despite what many left-libs and secular conservatives claim. And anyone believing in good vs evil knows Rudy will be and already has been disastrous for this country:

President Bush
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1066122/posts

Ex-Mayor Rudy Giuliani
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=GiulianiTruthFile

97 posted on 06/04/2007 8:01:08 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: mcshot

I’m still in shock that this is even having to be discussed. I don’t know what has happened to President Bush but his legacy just went down the tubes.


98 posted on 06/04/2007 8:01:22 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: upchuck

Yes, I agree with you, and I don’t trust her because she contradicted herself by saying in one breathe that Bush turned his back on conservatives, while in the other breath telling people to vote for a pro-abortion RINO.


99 posted on 06/04/2007 8:07:05 AM PDT by rodeo-mamma
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To: theothercheek

Gosh, I guess you’re right. Preserving the value of my 401K *is* more important than keeping infants from being slaughtered by the millions.


100 posted on 06/04/2007 8:07:59 AM PDT by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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