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Why the Railroad Effort on the Amnesty Bill?
Jawa Report ^ | June 16, 2007 | Ragnar Danneskjold

Posted on 06/16/2007 8:02:53 AM PDT by 3AngelaD

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To: kabar
Yes, they can grant millions of Z-visas with the stroke of the pen. That’s true.

But the bell CAN and Will be “unrung,” when the economy inevitably cycles into a recession/depression, and there is a desperate struggle for ANY job, no matter how menial.

At that point, Joe and Judy Sixpack, both D’s and R’s, will join in a human tsunami to revoke the Z-visas. No pol will be able to stand against that tide of desperate, raging anger, without provoking CW2, which may occur anyway.

Joe 6P isn’t going to stand in a line for a job with Pedro Valdez, and say, “Oh, you take the job, I don’t mind losing my house. After all, you have a Z-visa. By all means, take the job.”

No, that’s not going to happen. J6P is going to say, “Hey Pedro, where you from? What? No speaky English? Then GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!”

And that will happen millions and millions of times over. The Z-visas will be revoked by popular outrage, by pols who want to stay in power.

Or there will be a CW2.

Those are the two outcomes, once the economy tanks.

181 posted on 06/17/2007 8:56:16 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: RightWhale
Limited? Not at all, which is blatantly obvious.

As opposed to a constitutional, sovereign republic, what choices are YOU thinking of?

Have you read Aristotle on this?

I am interested in your response in regards to what you considered the "blatantly obvious".

182 posted on 06/17/2007 10:36:32 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Travis McGee
But the bell CAN and Will be “unrung,” when the economy inevitably cycles into a recession/depression, and there is a desperate struggle for ANY job, no matter how menial.

No, once they are legal, we can't declare them illegal. Thge ACLU, La Raza, the Catholic church, the Dems and SCOTUS will ensure that they retain their legal status and are allowed to stay.

Joe 6P isn’t going to stand in a line for a job with Pedro Valdez, and say, “Oh, you take the job, I don’t mind losing my house. After all, you have a Z-visa. By all means, take the job. ”No, that’s not going to happen. J6P is going to say, “Hey Pedro, where you from? What? No speaky English? Then GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!”

Dream on. Ain't going to happen. We are a nation of laws and they will be used against us.

Or there will be a CW2.

Or we become two different countries based on cultural and linguistic identity.

183 posted on 06/17/2007 10:36:50 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Travis McGee
In the long run you will be correct, however I see a long period where the PTB do huge wealth transfers to hold it off.

By then the elites will have relocated.

184 posted on 06/17/2007 10:43:32 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Those BP guys will do more prison time than most convicted Japanese war criminals ...thanks Bush!)
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To: kabar
No, once they are legal, we can't declare them illegal. Thge ACLU, La Raza, the Catholic church, the Dems and SCOTUS will ensure that they retain their legal status and are allowed to stay.

No...Even if they legalize 25 million criminals, it will doing nothing to stop the next 25 million illegals that will enter to undercut the wages of the newly legalized illegals.

It's a vicious, never ending circle.

185 posted on 06/17/2007 10:49:19 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

That goes without saying. We know that from the last anmesty in 1986.


186 posted on 06/17/2007 10:55:11 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Travis McGee

“Even if provisional “Z-visas” are given to all of the illegals after the bill is passed, they would probably be revoked by law, due to public outrage if a major terrorist attack is traced to covert jihadists blending in with illegal aliens.”

Good point!


187 posted on 06/17/2007 11:09:20 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: dragnet2

Aristotle? Got to find a common ground if this exchange is to continue.


188 posted on 06/17/2007 11:09:38 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: RightWhale
Have you read Aristotle on this?

Not lately. I think it best we just end this wandering exchange.

189 posted on 06/17/2007 11:32:19 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: kabar
Or we become two different countries based on cultural and linguistic identity.

This won't happen peacefully. The cultural/linguistic regions are far to comingled. Look at India / Pakistan or the Balkans to see the model: civil war, ethnic cleansing, and only then partition.

190 posted on 06/17/2007 4:05:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Seems to be a point of contention, see 183. Time will tell.


191 posted on 06/17/2007 4:06:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: investigateworld

Only a few thousand can “relocate.” They are important, but statistically insignificant. All of the PTB can’t relocate, they will be stuck in the society they have wrecked.


192 posted on 06/17/2007 4:08:00 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: kabar; Travis McGee

“Joe 6P isn’t going to stand in a line for a job with Pedro Valdez, and say, “Oh, you take the job, I don’t mind losing my house. After all, you have a Z-visa. By all means, take the job. ”No, that’s not going to happen. J6P is going to say, “Hey Pedro, where you from? What? No speaky English? Then GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!”

“Dream on. Ain’t going to happen. We are a nation of laws and they will be used against us.”

We are no longer a nation of laws. Bush refuses to enforce the ones he disagrees with.

Or there will be a CW2.

“Or we become two different countries based on cultural and linguistic identity.”

In the last 10 years in California, the illegals have become militant, and otherwise surly. They no longer ask, they demand. The current crop wants reconquista, and it is they who would cause a war. America is nothing like Canada in this respect.


193 posted on 06/17/2007 4:15:06 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: 3AngelaD
And payback, as they say, is a bitch.

Those very same "pro-business" Republicans who are so eager to push this through based on greed would do well to realize that in many of the third world banana republics they apparently idolize change comes with a tank not a ballot. Sometimes, such places even embrace communism, nationalize industries, and shoot people.
194 posted on 06/17/2007 4:18:57 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Travis McGee
Agree. But if California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, LA, MS. AL GA, and FLA link up culturally and linguistically, it could form the basis of a new country. The first four states are well on their way to having an Hispanic majority. We are already experiencing a significant internal migration.
195 posted on 06/17/2007 4:22:52 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Travis McGee

20 million peasants from a criminally corrupt country have
already fallen easy prey to white leftists, and La Raza. They have brought their lawless ways to America. They already are responsible for much of the drug dealing, and criminal identity theft. Years ago, they we docile, and kept to themselves. Now, at least in California, they are mean, and hungry for power. They will not relent, as there are too many malevolent forces here to help them. In only six years, they have taken over town after town, from Boston to Los Angeles. Much damage has already been done. Amnesty will likely cause a civil war.


196 posted on 06/17/2007 4:23:54 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: kabar
I've been doing a fair bit of thinking on this topic, which is the subject of my second novel.


197 posted on 06/17/2007 4:34:29 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I think any potential CW will have a very different face in the different regions. Cali is lost, the anglos will accomodate, try to hang on in enclaves, or flee. In the non-Aztlan cities, the enclaves will be reversed, and ethnic cleanding will work in both directions.

Bottom line: there will not be 50 United States in 20 years, under our present constitution.


198 posted on 06/17/2007 4:37:20 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

“Cali is lost, the anglos will accomodate, try to hang on in enclaves, or flee.”

I fled 16 months ago: )I am trying to close out my business interests there

“Bottom line: there will not be 50 United States in 20 years, under our present constitution”

Yep. The “general plan” of the powers that be.


199 posted on 06/17/2007 4:46:12 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Travis McGee

bttt


200 posted on 06/17/2007 4:48:39 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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