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Debate over massive fence plan is heating up in South Texas
Star-Telegram ^ | 7-8-07 | JAY ROOT

Posted on 07/08/2007 7:13:18 AM PDT by Dysart

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To: RasterMaster

Texas doesn’t get a vote.


61 posted on 07/08/2007 10:16:48 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: pissant
"Texas doesn’t get a vote."

Looks like your theory will be tested soon. Oklahoma and Georgia have started the ball rolling by changing their own enforcement legislation. I wonder what California, Arizona and Texas will do if they are the only states left that haven't cracked down on illegals...

62 posted on 07/08/2007 10:22:32 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: claudiustg
If the rich and powerful wanted the fence, we couldn’t stop them from building it. As it is, it’s just something they dangle in front of us to prevent a voter’s revolt.

Just so. And what better way to do it than to design a wall that costs megabillions, angers the environmental voters, and in many places will have to be way back from the border, effectively giving Mexico large swatches of our country?

All we need is a couple of fences, some motion detectors, and some border guards who won't get thrown in jail for shooting invaders.

The Mexicans already have such a system. Try sneaking into Mexico and see what happens to you. If the drug runners and the kidnappers don't get you, the army will.

63 posted on 07/08/2007 10:39:28 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Earthdweller

Arizona has passed tough legislation—California and Texas still need to. I’m wondering what Ahnuld will do after his statement that they should learn English upset CA’s Mexican population?? Perhaps, we’ll get our Border Fence built first??


64 posted on 07/08/2007 10:40:02 AM PDT by Buzzm1
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To: Buzzm1
Tennessee’s Governor said he’s not changing anything...says it’s the Feds job.
65 posted on 07/08/2007 10:42:16 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Earthdweller
Add..if I lived in Tennessee I’d be building a wall around my house about now.
66 posted on 07/08/2007 10:43:53 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Earthdweller

I’m hoping that word gets around to the illegal immigrants, that they are welcome in Tennessee; it’s always nice to see a governor eat his words.


67 posted on 07/08/2007 10:44:53 AM PDT by Buzzm1
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To: Buzzm1

:)~


68 posted on 07/08/2007 10:45:38 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Earthdweller

At least 18 states have enacted laws concerning illegal immigrants. Most of the legislation is seen as punitive, and it reflects legislators’ anger at the federal government’s inability to seal the southern border and at provisions in the Senate bill that would allow the 12 million illegal immigrants already here a path to citizenship.

Arizona - Its new law effectively sets up a two-strikes penalty. A business employing an illegal immigrant would have its business license suspended temporarily. A second offense would mean a permanent revocation of that license. A proposal would let police ask people they arrest about their citizenship status and seize them if they cannot produce proper documents. Arizona Rep. Russell Pearce (R) said Bush’s support of the guest-worker provision in the Senate bill “made me sick.” He called it “a sellout of America” and said: “I’m more than frustrated. I will do everything I can to unelect folks who sell out America.”

Arkansas - Immigration officials say a regional task force could be created in northwest Arkansas so a group of law officers from several agencies could be trained to enforce immigration laws. - still in the process of enacting legislation to force employers to verify their workers’ legal status

Colorado - still in the process of enacting legislation to force employers to verify their workers’ legal status

Hawaii - still in the process of enacting legislation to force employers to verify their workers’ legal status

Idaho—Similar measures to Oklahoma are being considered

Maryland lawmakers defeated a proposal that would have let illegal immigrants pay in-state college tuition. Lawmakers are still considering a measure that would place a 5 percent surcharge on wire transfers to Mexico.

Michigan, lawmakers considered stripping health and welfare benefits from undocumented immigrants.

Missouri Sen. Chris Koster, a Republican, said that when he tried to push a law through the GOP-controlled chamber that would force employers to verify the status of workers, his colleagues defeated it handily, expressing concern about its impact on business.

Nebraska — Similar measures to Oklahoma are being considered

North Carolina growers need immigrant workers in order to thrive, but passing legislation friendly to illegal immigrants is difficult.

Oklahoma, Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act, signed by Gov. Brad Henry (D) last month, restricts illegal immigrants’ access to all forms of official identification, bars them from receiving public assistance and metes out stiff fines to employers who hire them. “Illegal immigrants will not come to Oklahoma if there are no jobs waiting for them,” said state Rep. Randy Terrill (R), who wrote his state’s law, one of the most sweeping in the country.

Oregon, where a House bill would prohibit the state from hiring undocumented workers, said its core supporters are upset by the U.S. Senate bill. “We don’t support amnesty,” said spokesman Shawn Cleave, echoing the position of the North Carolina Republican Party, which proudly said it broke with Bush on the issue.

Pennsylvania, other measures — “so many, like seven,” he said — go after employers who hire illegal immigrants and deny the immigrants themselves benefits and other services.

Tennessee - still in the process of enacting legislation to force employers to verify their workers’ legal status. Tennessee’s governor says, “it’s the Fed’s job, we aren’t doing anything.”

Virginia, House of Delegates, approved a far-reaching proposal to strip charities and other organizations of state and local funding if any of the money is used to provide services to immigrants who are in the country illegally.

West Virginia - still in the process of enacting legislation to force employers to verify their workers’ legal status


69 posted on 07/08/2007 10:51:32 AM PDT by Buzzm1
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To: Buzzm1

I knew someone was keeping a list ...thanks!


70 posted on 07/08/2007 10:55:12 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Dysart
Officially, the 700-mile barrier would cost about $3 million a mile, or $2.1 billion. But independent estimates show the cost of building and maintaining the fence could go as high as $49 billion over 25 years.

That works out to $70 MILLION PER MILE to build and maintain a fence for 25 years? It had better be a real nice fence with sharks and laser beams!

71 posted on 07/08/2007 11:00:29 AM PDT by Sender (Success in warfare is gained by carefully accommodating ourselves to the enemy's purpose.)
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To: Buzzm1
"Maryland lawmakers defeated a proposal that would have let illegal immigrants pay in-state college tuition. Lawmakers are still considering a measure that would place a 5 percent surcharge on wire transfers to Mexico. "

Interesting. Looks like they want to keep their illegals but are making sure they stay uneducated while keeping the money the illegals make from employment in the state. LOL.

72 posted on 07/08/2007 11:12:33 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: mathluv
If it is built on this side of a river, how far inland must it go to get beyond the flood stage?

I wonder what happens to the US-Mexico border if the river changes course.

73 posted on 07/08/2007 11:15:43 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Dysart

The border is international territory. These landowners don’t have a leg to stand on. Build the fence now!


74 posted on 07/08/2007 11:19:26 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Dysart
The land owners who want no walls or fences so Al Qaeda, illegals, felons, rapists, drugs, diseased people and others can cross can all go to hell IMO.

It’s time for fences, walls and people to secure the border.

Let these land owners move to Santa Ana California if they like it so much.

How many of them might have back door drug money deals with Mexico?

75 posted on 07/08/2007 11:21:03 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Dysart
"If the wall would help I wouldn't mind. But it won't help. It'll be a big expense, a big problem, ugly as hell and unfriendly to Mexico," said Moody, 84, born in Galveston and heir to one of the largest and oldest fortunes in Texas.

...thereby illustratiing clearly for us just what sort of "American" is opposed to the fence. Meanwhile, there are the remaining 200 million of us who have to work to pay the bills.
76 posted on 07/08/2007 11:23:08 AM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: wideminded
Apparently this question has come up a number of times. - link
77 posted on 07/08/2007 11:23:34 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: no-to-illegals

I think we get worn down by the “nattering nabobs of negativism”, myself.


78 posted on 07/08/2007 12:51:15 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: laotzu

Sounds like you’ve not actually studied the history of the Texas Rangers. THEY WERE NOT FORMED FOR THE BORDER. They were formed to protect settlers from the hostiles. The actual border protection came later. There was some border protection when we were the Republic of Texas...The border protection came after we joined the union. Rangers accompanied federal troops to help protect the border. Since the Rangers were such skilled fighters against the hostiles...the federal troops needed their help. Now the feds would not venture into Mexico when after hostiles...but the rangers sure would.


79 posted on 07/08/2007 12:55:57 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: wanderin
I didn’t say I wanted to shoot our friends south of the border, even with paint balls. LOL! I’d rather make employers be more careful about who they hired, for a start. I employ 2 Mexicans and they are both legal. I have a landscape crew that takes care of the yard and I am sure some of not most of them are illegal but the boss is an American born Mexican and he hires the others, not me. I have my doubts about a fence.
80 posted on 07/08/2007 12:59:45 PM PDT by Ditter
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