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21/7 bombers failed to kill dozens as 'mastermind' could not do maths
The Daily Mail [UK] ^ | 9th July 2007

Posted on 07/09/2007 6:33:26 PM PDT by brityank

21/7 bombers failed to kill dozens as 'mastermind' could not do maths


Last updated at 18:49pm on 9th July 2007

The 21/7 bombers only failed to kill and maim dozens of Londoners because the bomb-making "mastermind" could not do basic mathematics it emerged today, as the four men were convicted by a jury.

The 21/7 plotters planned to cause "bigger and better" explosions on public transport than the bombers a fortnight earlier, who killed 52 people.

However, none of the rucksack devices exploded as ringleader Muktar Said Ibrahim had a poor grasp of mathematics and wrongly calculated the ratio of ingredients needed to trigger the explosions.

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The six men on trial: (from the left, top row) Manfo Asiedu, Muktar Said Ibrahim, Ramzi Mohammed and (from the left, bottom row) Yassin Omar, Hussain Osman and Adel Yahya. Ibrahim, Omar, Osman and Mohammed have been found guilty

Ibrahim, 29, Yassin Omar, 26, Hussain Osman, 28, and Ramzi Mohammed, 25, were today convicted at Woolwich Crown Court of attempted murder and conspiracy to cause explosions. Each faces life in prison.

They operated from a bomb factory in a north London flat where they assembled their devices using hydrogen peroxide distilled from hair bleach and chapati flour and used "Mother of Satan" as a detonator. They targeted a bus in Shoreditch High Street and Tube trains at Warren Street and Oval.

For the first time it can be revealed that London was saved only by Ibrahim's lack of basic arithmetic.

A scribbled note found at the bomb factory showed that Ibrahim, who had failed maths GCSE, had wrongly calculated the ratio of ingredients, rendering the bombs harmless. But for this, the devices, packed with nails and screws, would have devastated the transport network for the second time in two weeks.

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Arrested: Video image showing Muktar Said Ibrahim (left) and Ramzi Mohammed as they are held by armed police in London on July 29, 2005

The gang Ibrahim assembled were the first in Britain to originate from the Horn of Africa. Some had been influenced and radicalised by race hate clerics Abu Hamza and Abdullah al Faisal.

Ibrahim tried to detonate his bomb on the bus in Shoreditch. Omar was responsible for the Warren Street bomb, and Mohammed took his device to the Oval.

After the bombs failed to detonate, there was widespread panic, enabling the conspirators to escape.

Omar later caught a bus to Birmingham wearing a full length burka and was arrested standing fully clothed in a bath holding a rucksack, similar to the one which had contained his bomb.

The would-be bombs, confirmed by scientists as potentially lethal, were made up of hydrogen peroxide, distilled from 440 litres of hair bleach, mixed with chapati flour and high explosive TATP used as a detonator, known to the bombers as "the mother of Satan."

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Deadly: The bomb on the Northern Line train which Mohammed tried to blow up. Nails and screws are clearly visible on the yellow liquid on the floor

The gang spent £500 on buying the hydrogen peroxide. An anti-terrorist source said: "Sadly the fact is that terrorism these days is cheap."

The devices were broadly similar in style to the bombs used successfully on 7/7, reflecting the training given to Ibrahim in the terror camps in Pakistan.

Questions were raised today about the security services when it was revealed that Ibrahim had been intercepted at Heathrow seven months before July 2005 on his way to the Pakistan terror training camps.

His two companions were later blown up in a suicide bomb attack in Iraq.

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On the run: Bomber Ramzi Mohammed (top left); Bomber Yasin Hassan Omar (top right); Alleged bomber Hussain Ahmed Osman (bottom left); Bomber Muktar Said Ibrahim (bottom right) on the London transport stystem on July 21

He was interviewed by Special Branch and claimed he was bound for a wedding even though he could not name the bride. He missed his plane to Islamabad but caught another the next morning.

Yet he had already been arrested for distributing religious leaflets in Oxford Street and was observed by surveillance officers at what appeared to be a training camp in the Lake District.

When he returned from Pakistan to Heathrow three months later he had only one aim in mind - jihad in Britain.

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Captured: CCTV shows Muktar Said Ibrahim boarding the No. 26 bus on July 21, 2005 to try to detonate a bomb

The bomb factory was located in Omar's council flat in New Southgate where Ibrahim had drawn up a strict rota for mixing the ingredients in massive quantities. Police later found a library of the most obscenely violent tapes showing beheading of Western hostages and the glorification of 9/11 and 7/7.

There were also Evening Standard front page cuttings from 7/7 headlined "Terror bombs explode across London" and from 21/7 headed "New tube and bus bombings."

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Guilty: CCTV shows Muktar Said Ibrahim buying 52 gallons of hydrogen peroxide from Pak Cosmetics, in Finsbury Park, north London, two days before the July 7 terror attacks

The court heard Ibrahim was obsessed with making a "bigger and better" impact than 7/7 and had also booby-trapped the bomb factory to blow up the police and innocent people in the block of flats.

Yassin Omar

Wanted: Yassin Omar tried to flee, above

Jurors were also told Omar was a self-professed Taliban supporter and regularly listened to the preachings of radical Muslim preacher Abu Hamza.

He was even seen on TV by his foster father Stephen Lamb at one of Hamza's gatherings.

Hundreds of empty bottles of liquid hydrogen peroxide - the crucial factor in the bombs - were found stuffed into bins outside his home, while an empty bag of chapatti flour, another key ingredient, was also found.

Ibrahim - described as the principal bomb-maker - not only decided what type of bombs would be used, he paid for the ingredients and dispatched his lieutenants to find out where to purchase the necessary goods.

His experience was considerable. He trained for jihad in Sudan in 2003 and on return to the UK boasted to a friend that he had been taught how to use rocket propelled grenades.

Before his failed bid to cause chaos in London, Ibrahim was already known to the police, with Scotland Yard stumbling across him three times in the 12 months before the attacks.

He was photographed by surveillance officers on a camping trip in the Lake District in May 2004 and arrested outside Debenhams in October of that year for distributing Islamic literature.

Two months later, he was stopped by Special Branch at Heathrow on his way to Pakistan.

Mohammed was so convinced he would die in the atrocity, he left a suicide letter, which urged his children "to be good Muslims, obey your mother".

Addressing his eldest boy directly, he said: "Look after your little brother and you shall see me in paradise again, God willing."

Turning to God, he wrote: "I beg Allah to accept this action from me... he promises martyrdom to whom he wishes. "What I have done (is) for the sake of Allah for he loves those who fight in his sake."

The jury was continuing to deliberate on Hussein Osman, 28, the alleged Shepherd's Bush bomber, Manfo Kwaku Asiedu, 33, who was accused of targeting White City Tube station but got cold feet and dumped his bomb on Little Wormwood Scrubs, and Adel Yahya, 24, who was accused of playing an important part in the planning but was out of the country on 21/7.



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1 posted on 07/09/2007 6:33:30 PM PDT by brityank
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To: brityank
Muktar Said Ibrahim (left) and Ramzi Mohammed as they are held by armed police in London on July 29, 2005

What is wrong with this sentence? Or should I say, this reality?

2 posted on 07/09/2007 6:38:34 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: brityank; Mase; 1rudeboy; expat_panama
The 21/7 bombers only failed to kill and maim dozens of Londoners because the bomb-making "mastermind" could not do basic mathematics it emerged today,

Math is hard.

3 posted on 07/09/2007 6:39:27 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists, FairTaxers and goldbugs so bad at math?)
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To: brityank

The result of generations of inbreeding.


4 posted on 07/09/2007 6:40:33 PM PDT by Slump Tester ( What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

"Math is hard."

5 posted on 07/09/2007 6:42:20 PM PDT by Enterprise (I can't talk about liberals anymore because some of the words will get me sent to rehab.)
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To: brityank
Aren’t maths banned by the koran? AK47s? Nuclear Reactions?
6 posted on 07/09/2007 6:42:28 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: brityank

Hmmmmm. a doctor who can’t do basic math like ratio and proportion? wonder how he passed the pharmacology segment of his medical education? wonder how many patients he has killed?


7 posted on 07/09/2007 6:42:50 PM PDT by fatrat
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To: bill1952
Smething about "divided by a common language" comes to mind. ;^)

Held as in "at gunpoint".

8 posted on 07/09/2007 6:43:22 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Slump Tester

Terrorists are stupid but deadly. On the other hand, we have the doctors....


9 posted on 07/09/2007 6:44:51 PM PDT by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABLER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: brityank

Again with the “wedding” excuse. That must be on page one of the terrorist handbook, you’re either going to a wedding or it was a wedding that got bombed.


10 posted on 07/09/2007 6:45:13 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Slump Tester
The result of generations of inbreeding.

Unfortunately both Britain and the US have sent their best and brightest into the meat-grinders, leaving the dregs to procreate.

11 posted on 07/09/2007 6:45:24 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: bill1952

well they’re both “armed” with 2 arms, but I don’t see any cops holding them or their arms, LOL


12 posted on 07/09/2007 6:45:24 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Slump Tester

I was thinking that in this case, thank the liberals.
The guy can’t calculate because liberals have invaded and inculcated the educational systems in the english speaking world.
Of course, this is the only good thing that has come as a result of that. The terrorists are stupid.


13 posted on 07/09/2007 6:46:08 PM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: brityank

as they are held by armed police

Yeah. As if there should be any other type of police.
Noteworthy that the distinction is made by UK media.


14 posted on 07/09/2007 6:48:17 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: jiggyboy

Don’t forget the baby milk factories.


15 posted on 07/09/2007 6:49:22 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: fatrat

Not the same folks.


16 posted on 07/09/2007 6:50:08 PM PDT by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: fatrat
Hmmmmm. a doctor who can’t do basic math like ratio and proportion? wonder how he passed the pharmacology segment of his medical education? wonder how many patients he has killed?

These guys aren't the doctors of recent fried crispyness, but the group that tried a follow on attack on 7/21/2005 after the tube bombings on 7/7/2005. It looks like from the surveillance of the "mastermind" buying the ingredients before the 7/7 bombing that they were an independent cell that wasn't necessarily connected or directly inspired by the 7/7 attack. I always guessed that the failed 7/21 attack was because they were using TATP from the same batch as the 7/7 bombs, but that it had gone stale. I guessed wrong.

17 posted on 07/09/2007 6:51:32 PM PDT by Dan Cooper
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To: brityank

Why do we always tell the bad guys what they did wrong when the bomb doesn’t go off?


18 posted on 07/09/2007 6:51:37 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: brityank

IBRAHIM: WHAT HAPPEN?
CONSTABLE: YOU NOT KNOW WHAT YOU DOING.


19 posted on 07/09/2007 6:52:47 PM PDT by RichInOC (CONSTABLE: HA HA HA HA....)
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To: brityank
...hydrogen peroxide distilled from hair bleach and chapati flour...

Chapati flour? I didn't realize there is anything particularly special about flour for chapatis (or rotis.)

20 posted on 07/09/2007 6:52:53 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: brityank

Allah claims all the incompetents as his own.


21 posted on 07/09/2007 6:53:06 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I never consented to live in the Camp of the Saints.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Why do we always tell the bad guys what they did wrong when the bomb doesn’t go off?

Because the MSM is on their side?

22 posted on 07/09/2007 6:54:07 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank
"Unfortunately both Britain and the US have sent their best and brightest into the meat-grinders, leaving the dregs to procreate."

There's that darn math thing again. Losing 100 good people per month in Iraq, from a country of 300 Million, will NOT alter the procreation statistics.

23 posted on 07/09/2007 6:54:28 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: brityank

In a sane world, wishing to survive — all immigration of Muslims would be banned until the Jihad is “over”.....

Perhaps then, the rumored “moderate Muslims” would rid their communities of lunatics who “don’t speak for them”...

Right....


24 posted on 07/09/2007 6:56:54 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Dan Cooper

ok thanks, i misunderstood, got the wrong group. but that makes the latest group even dumber. they should have learned from the previous group that they needed somebody skilled in basic math to prepare their bombs. It is a good thing they are stupid.


25 posted on 07/09/2007 6:57:00 PM PDT by fatrat
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To: Southack
Losing 100 good people per month in Iraq, from a country of 300 Million, will NOT alter the procreation statistics.

Taking the (very) short view, eh? Look to the stats for WWI and WWII. Then look at where we've gone in the past 50-75 years, and the usurpation of the Media and Education in both countries.

26 posted on 07/09/2007 6:59:26 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank
Wow, they sure look like middle eastern Muslim types to me.

No way, I hear they are all innocent, Allah their false god said so.

27 posted on 07/09/2007 6:59:34 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Slump Tester

I’ve seen an interesting article, I think here, on the issue of consanguinity in the Arab/Islamic world, due to tribal marriage schemas. Lots of first cousin marriages, beyond what would be considered genetically “safe”.


28 posted on 07/09/2007 7:00:18 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: brityank
Because the MSM is on their side?

Yeah, but even the police seem to like to tell us how stupid they were and why. And I think the military does it, too.

29 posted on 07/09/2007 7:00:46 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: brityank
The news media has a smaller audience today than it had in WW2. Smaller Network radio and TV audiences, for instance...vastly lower newspaper circulation numbers...

...and today there is actual *competition* to the established news media in the form of the Internet and talk radio.

In contrast, what got churned up by WW2 were the warrior cultures of Russia, France, and Germany...none of which have the indigenous fighters today that they had a century ago. ...but losing 100 good citizens per month from a country of 300 Million won't do to us that which happened to France after it suffered 64% national casualties between 1914 and 1918.

30 posted on 07/09/2007 7:04:07 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Slump Tester
The result of generations of inbreeding.

You got that exactly right.

31 posted on 07/09/2007 7:08:15 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
There used to be a slogan: "Math is power".

It is.

32 posted on 07/09/2007 7:09:07 PM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: bill1952

Apart from being bad at this “maths” (a plural form of the word that I think is an inaccurate usage), Mr. Omar apparently did not test his handiwork beforehand. Doesn’t Terrorism 101 stress preparation and testing before blowing oneself up — so as to be sure to be in the arms of those 72 white raisins?


33 posted on 07/09/2007 7:09:38 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: brityank

I was trying to guess which one of the six men pictured was the mastermind by scanning the faces to pick out which one looked the most intelligent. In the process I had written off Muktar Said Ibrahim as the dumbest looking one.


34 posted on 07/09/2007 7:10:51 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Dummies! Everybody knows there are only 12 months in a year! “21/7” - the seventh day of the 21st month? Whoa, these guys are real “morans”!

[I realize that Euros write dates differently, so my post is tongue-in-cheek. It does look funny, though.]


35 posted on 07/09/2007 7:11:12 PM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: brityank
However, none of the rucksack devices exploded as ringleader Muktar Said Ibrahim had a poor grasp of mathematics and wrongly calculated the ratio of ingredients needed to trigger the explosions.



The six men on trial: (from the left, top row) Manfo Asiedu, Muktar Said Ibrahim, Ramzi Mohammed

Why am I not surprised old Muktar had difficulty in math?
36 posted on 07/09/2007 7:15:38 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: river rat
Perhaps then, the rumored “moderate Muslims” would rid their communities of lunatics who “don’t speak for them”...

Moderate Muslims have been the target of radicals since before WWII.
37 posted on 07/09/2007 7:20:28 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: snowsislander
I didn't realize there is anything particularly special about flour for chapatis (or rotis.)

He was naan the wiser either...

38 posted on 07/09/2007 7:24:33 PM PDT by null and void (We can oil drill through miles of rock under sea water, drilling thru inches of glass is a snap...)
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To: brityank
Turning to God [sic], he wrote: "I beg Allah to accept this action from me... he promises martyrdom to whom he wishes. "What I have done (is) for the sake of Allah for he loves those who fight in his sake."
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It is disgusting when reporters make the basic mistake of equating the Muslim deity "Allah" with God. In actual fact, a stronger case can be made (using Islamic sources at that), that "Allah" is a manifestation of Satan. Just look up any reference to Satan/Lucifer appearing as a bearer of light, being a deceiver, promising all the goods and power of this world, and on and on. The main thing separating Islam from being a real religion (instead of the totalitarian political strategy that it is) is the concept of "love".
39 posted on 07/09/2007 7:24:51 PM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: fatrat

Foreign education can be very hard to judge. Besides equating years of schooling or whatever standards, you have the whole spectrum of good student / bad student within each group.

Resumes become worthless. Bottom line, you just don’t know what you’re getting. I know some really sharp immigrants with graduate degrees, and some total dunces who have the same credentials on paper.


40 posted on 07/09/2007 7:30:50 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

Agree.


41 posted on 07/09/2007 7:31:35 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: bill1952
as they are held by armed police

Yeah. As if there should be any other type of police.

Well, in the U.K. there are many unarmed police in that they don't carry guns. Often, all you see on the cop on the beat is what I remember being called a "billy stick".

I understand that more and more bobbies are being armed, though. Apparently, not that many, that's why newspaper reports refer to "armed police."

42 posted on 07/09/2007 7:45:43 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum
I know that, OP. - I'm making fun of the whole concept, much like Robin Williams did

bobby: Halt! - Or i'll yell halt again!

43 posted on 07/09/2007 7:51:05 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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“Yeah, but even the police seem to like to tell us how stupid they were and why. And I think the military does it, too.”

No it probably is someone inside the police and media who is trying to set up the police and/or military. They want to show that people would have been killed and only the stupidity of the terrorists saved lives.


44 posted on 07/09/2007 7:54:09 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: bill1952
OK, now I get it. I didn't see the "should" in your post.

No problemo, bill1952.

45 posted on 07/09/2007 8:04:20 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: SteveMcKing

Yes, you are correct. What do you call the guy who graduated last from the worst medical school in the world................................DOCTOR


46 posted on 07/09/2007 8:17:44 PM PDT by fatrat
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To: fatrat

These are the wannabe July 2005 failures, the docs came later.


47 posted on 07/09/2007 8:27:46 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: fatrat
a doctor who can't do basic math like ratio and proportion?

I was thinking the same thing. I calculate ratios daily due to weight differentials of my patients. One minute it may be a one half kilogram chihuahua and the next a 1000kg bull. One animal may be 5-15mg/kg and the next species .1 to 1mg/kg....
These "brilliant ragheaded goat raping heathen physicians" from the Arab and Persian world need to be sent back to where they can practice on their own and stay the hell away from us.

48 posted on 07/09/2007 8:31:43 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: brityank

We have used up a lot more than our fair share of luck avoiding catastrophe from these scum. It can’t keep up.


49 posted on 07/09/2007 9:24:34 PM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: Northern Alliance
No lie. Keep an eye on Pakistan ^
50 posted on 07/09/2007 10:26:03 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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