Posted on 08/01/2007 11:00:27 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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1991, or thereabouts. The doctors who made the implantation sounded more like hustlers and experimenters than care-givers. The implant was left in her brain. Michael ended up using that as an excuse for not letting her have any brain MRIs in later years.
You are right, there were many medical advances in the fifteen years before she was killed.
Good digging on that.
This is proof that he is a liar.
The only way he could weasel out of it is to say the newspaper lied, and while I do not like to defend most newspapers, in this case they do not have a motive to lie.
Explain this for us. How did she get from asleep in bed to severely injured and nearly dead on the hallway floor after her angry husband came home late on Saturday night?
Of course, you're not saying that you have never, uninvitedly, imposed your paralogisms about Schiavo on non-Schiavo threads about spontaneous brain-injury recoveries -- that would never happen. Right? Right? Of course not...
Buffalo Firefighter Awakens from 10 Year Coma'dmz': "My name is Don, Don Quixote."
*** *** *** *** *** After 10 years, brain-damaged Buffalo-area fireman makes astounding recovery (Schiavo Parallel?)
'dmz ': "Without a doubt, were a story to be posted about a woman fainting from the heat during an opera performance, the first response would be "good thing she wasn't married to Michael Schiavo"."
'dmz': "What would be even more miraculous if the posts that begin this thread were not so damned predictable."
No, no, no, she did not suffer “a loss of potassium in her body that caused her heart to stop beating.” Lottery odds against that all along. Fifteen years later the M.E. dismissed it as absurd in the autopsy report. We are still looking for the reason Terri went from asleep to a crumpled, broken heap on the hallway floor, so close to death she needed seven defibs. That kind of damage could not have been caused by bulimic collapse.
Thanks, but the digging I did was through my cache of recently visited sites. Somebody else posted this recently, and I can’t remember who. I had clicked on their link, so it was still in my cache.
My favorite evidence to post on behalf of Terri comes from those who supported killing her. They can’t refute their own evidence.
The court transcripts are full of evidence directly from Michael and his supporters. One of his hand-picked doctors who testified that Terri was PVS, provided evidence that she wasn’t. Earlier in this thread I posted part of his video of her responding, which is impossible with PVS. His supporters have repeatedly stated that she responded only periodically. That’s what minimally conscious patients do. PVS patients can’t respond, ever.
You’re absolutely right. There was a lot of misinformation spread through the St. Pete Times, in pursuit of Terri’s death. I always find it valuable when I come across admissions from them that they’ve since tried to distance themselves from.
No, it did not. The examiner could make no definative conclusion. That's what the autopsy report contained.
"Explain this for us. How did she get from asleep in bed to severely injured and nearly dead on the hallway floor after her angry husband came home late on Saturday night?"
I have no desire to explain, or elaborate on pure speculative fantasy.
That is so exciting. Thank you for posting.
'grassboots.org': "...If we remain silent and don't work for change, Pre-Hitler Germany will be a pale memory compared to the brutalism and barbarous murders that will take place under our very noses. We will not be able to claim we didn't know it...There are already millions of unborn children being murdered each year - have we forgotten 9/11?"'dmz': "Again, the Falwell/Robertson contingent checks in. You are, with all due respect, just another variety of America hater. This sitaution [sic] is all America's fault, she's evil and all the people therein are doomed to hell."
'TheDon (in reply to 'theFIRMbss', not 'dmz')': "If it is a private matter, why do they need to involve others in killing Terri? Doctors, nurses, hospice workers. And they are killing Terri under Florida law, which allows them to do so. Hardly a private family matter. It is a ridiculous argument, meant to salve a guilty conscience."
'dmz': "Then you should be posting your stuff over at DU. You're pretty much preaching to the choir around here, and you're stuck in something of a loop."
I had to read it again to check. This happened in New York, not Florida. So Judge Greer has no chance of jurisdiction over this guy. I notice that they’re not giving his name, though.
The doc testified in court, that there was no response. That testimony came after the doc's educated contemplation of the matter, not his optomistic, off the cuff comment generated at the spur of the moment during the exam. The cut showing that event was seconds long, out of ~45mins of taping an exam which was focused on obtaining any response. I was also originally misled by that cut, becauseit was presented as typical of the responses given. It was not. It was purely coincidental action, and not a resonse at all. It doesn't matter that all that could be presented was a few secs, out of a 45 min exam. The autopsy proved she was blind. Also, no one can truthfully claim, that she lost that much occipital mass during the brief period she had those feeding tubes removed. Again, she was blind, which proves that there was no response.
Dr. Thogmartin was at pains to refute bulimia as a cause. In essence, he made fun of the whole idea, albeit in polite medical language. "Bulimia" wasn't even a medical opinion, but one made up by a trial lawyer named Gary Fox for purposes of a lawsuit.
Suffice to say, that "explanation" is at odds with medical facts and hopeless. Do you have any other guesses?
Wrong. As I said, he could make no conclusions one way, or the other-that's INCONCLUSIVE. If you want to claim otherwise, post the relevant proof.
Re: bulemia, or more appropriately behavior anologous to the symptomatic behaviors of bulemic disease." Suffice to say, that "explanation" is at odds with medical facts and hopeless."
No, it is not. The trial contained testimony regarding her behavior and the emergency room electrolyte results. The ER also failed to note any traumatic cause as the reason for her being there.
" Dr. Thogmartin was at pains to refute bulimia as a cause. In essence, he made fun of the whole idea, albeit in polite medical language."
Wrong. As I said, he could make no conclusions one way, or the other-that's INCONCLUSIVE. If you want to claim otherwise, post the relevant proof.
Re: bulemia, or more appropriately behavior anologous to the symptomatic behaviors of bulemic disease.
" Suffice to say, that "explanation" is at odds with medical facts and hopeless."
No, it is not. The trial contained testimony regarding her behavior and the emergency room electrolyte results. The ER also failed to note any traumatic cause as the reason for her being there.
He was minimally conscious the whole time and could communicate nonverbally but reliably - it would be hard to get an order to withhold nutrition without getting his consent.
At least I hope what I just wrote is true.
Nonsense. Blindness is a clinical finding. It cannot be determined with certainty post-mortem. In the instance Terri was clinically tested by three of the five court-appointed doctors to have some vision (optimum 8" - 12", or up to 18"; she could see the bright shiny balloons from further, as focus didn't matter). Yes, Dr. Cranford was one of them.
The discrepancy between clinical findings and Dr. Nelson's cortical blindness claim was most likely a sampling error.
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