Posted on 08/01/2007 11:00:27 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan
Cool! God Bless him.
"Terri, open your eyes". Then Dr. Cranford praises her for a job well done.
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Enough to keep the DNC's cash flow lucrative.
I read the title and thought this was an article about Joe Biden.
“Hey, bring back that feeding tube!”
Sorry — I couldn’t resist a little macabre joke. This man is fortunante indeed not to be related to old Mikey and under the jurisdiction of Reichsjudge Greer.
Annually we starve and dehydrate to death upwards of 11% of people with severe cognitive impairments, as measured by the Mini Mental State Examination (link below). That would include severe mental retardation, minimally conscious state, persistent vegetative state, and coma. I wonder how many people that is. Even on the low estimate, not counting any of the other brain damaged people, and not counting people killed using other methods, we starve and dehydrate to death over 12,000 minimally conscious people every year.
In 1999, 10.4% of the severely cognitively impaired residents of the United States were starved and dehydrated to death.
In 2000, 11.0% of the severely cognitively impaired residents of the United States were starved and dehydrated to death.
In 2001, 11.4% of the severely cognitively impaired residents of the United States were starved and dehydrated to death.
I haven't found data yet for other years, but I think it's a fair guess that the killings continue to climb.
This doesn't represent a percentage of patients who died (which would be bad enough). It doesn't mean that 11.4% of the patients who died were starved and dehydrated. It means 11.4% of all the people living in the U.S.A. with severe cognitive impairments were killed this way. And it doesn't include the ones who were killed using other methods, such as denial of antibiotics for simple infections, cessation of kidney dialysis, removal of breathing assistance, etc. There are some very barbaric methods being used.
The standard used for determining severe cognitive impairment for the purpose of this study is a score of 5 or less on the Mini Mental State Examination (MMSE). Patients in a coma, ,PVS, or minimally conscious state cannot possibly score 1, much less 5. You've probably seen people in the grocery store with a score of 5 or less. So these killings include a wide range of brain damaged people. I wonder how many thousands of people are living with a score of 5 or less. And for every 1,000 people living with a score of 5 or less in the year 2001, 114 of them were starved and dehydrated to death that year.
All I have before me are the percentages. I'd like to see the corresponding numbers. Or would I?
Following is the breakdown by state for 2001. Notice that Rhode Island tops the list, with just over a third of that population exterminated this way. That might have something to do with the fact that RI has appointed the pro-euthanasia group Choice in Dying the official State agency in charge of informing the public about end-of-life choices. They supply forms for living wills and assist the public in filling out those forms. This is what happens when you put the fox in charge of the henhouse.
Believe it or not, Florida and Texas are both below the national average. Every state is on the list. Georgia is at the bottom of the list, exterminating only 1.30% this way. But like I said, this doesn't include people who were exterminated using other methods.
RI - 33.80%
OR - 32.50%
MI - 28.30%
MT - 28.00%
WI - 27.20%
CA - 23.40%
UT - 23.40%
AZ - 20.90%
PA - 17.40%
MN - 17.20%
AK - 17.10%
CT - 15.40%
WY - 14.90%
MD - 14.60%
NM - 14.20%
SD - 14.10%
WA - 13.20%
OH - 12.90%
ID - 12.30%
IA - 12.10%
MO - 11.90%
National Average - 11.4%
VT - 11.20%
HI - 11.10%
DE - 10.80%
ND - 10.80%
MA - 9.90%
IN - 9.70%
ME - 9.20%
NH - 8.70%
NY - 8.50%
NE - 7.70%
CO - 7.20%
AL - 7.10%
TX - 7.10%
IL - 6.70%
WV - 6.70%
KY - 6.60%
SC - 6.50%
TN - 6.30%
FL - 6.20%
NV - 6.20%
AR - 5.70%
NC - 5.20%
KS - 4.80%
NJ - 4.80%
OK - 4.10%
LA - 3.70%
VA - 3.60%
DC - 3.10%
MS - 3.00%
GA - 1.30%
Facts On Dying ~ This study was funded by The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, who adamantly opposes the rights of vulnerable people to continue living. So if any trolls show up, complaining that the data is skewed in favor of life, check the facts and get back to me.
I do not believe Terry should have been killed however in defense of the people who think this case is not the same, there is this quote from the article.
“He noted that a similar treatment did not help Terri Schiavo, the Florida woman in a vegetative state whose care triggered national controversy before her death in 2005. That’s the typical outcome for electrical brain stimulation in vegetative states, he said.”
lol
As I noted above:
I dont believe there is a sharp distinction between minimally conscious and vegetative especially with something as complex as the human brain. Such categories are man-made subjective classifications. Nor do I accept the characterization of Terri as vegetative since there were numerous people with impressive credentials on both sides of that diagnosis.
Michael Schaivo is breathing relief.
The article noted "He noted that a similar treatment did not help Terri Schiavo," but when was that treatment tried? There have been marvelous advances over the last 10 years.
A valid point however by trying to equate the 2 you seem to be implying that if only they had held off on killing her this would have saved her.
I think we agree that no one in that situation should be killed. Despair is both a sin and a logical fallacy.
Nope. I made no such implication. However many of the arguments that were used while Terri was still alive on the side of killing her, could also have been used in arguing to kill this man.
Michael gave an interview to the Saint Petersburg Times shortly after that procedure. He told them it had helped her. I read the article a week or two ago, and now can’t find it. I’m hoping someone else will chime in and provide a link. I’m pretty sure I got the link from one of the threads here.
“He noted that a similar treatment did not help Terri Schiavo, the Florida woman in a vegetative state whose care triggered national controversy before her death in 2005. That’s the typical outcome for electrical brain stimulation in vegetative states, he said”
My first thought was Terry...
Then I got down to the mention of her ...
I dont remember ever reading that this had been done for her...when was this done and was the application etc in the same way..was it the same type electodes?
Terry was not as disabled as this man...and she spoke etc...
I’ll bet that was NEVER tried on Terri! and We know Terri was NOT in a vegetative state. Terri was murdered in a most horrendous manner.
The brain stimulator implant was a success, said her husband, Mike.
She was in a persistive vegetative state, due to massive brain tissue loss. She was also blind due to cortical loss.
'dmz': "How is it that you know what side I am on? Have we ever spoken on this topic? Have you mined my 5900+ FR posts to come up with anything Ive said on the Terri Schiavo topic? I can answer for you. You dont know what side I am on. No, we have never spoken on this topic, and no, youve not mined my posting history for anything on this topic. In other words, you know spit about me and my thoughts on this topic."
Thanks for the invite...
12-Year-Old Maryland Girl Has Not Aged In Years'yellowdoghunter' (replying to 'smiley', not 'dmz'): "Sad to say that some would want to starve/thirst her to death....maybe even some here at FR. And then you got the ones that worry about what this is costing....shameful. Anyway, prayers for that little girl and her family. May God give them strength."
'dmz': "What a crock you are spewing. Show me one post from any person anywhere on the planet earth that has recommmended starving her. It has never happened anywhere except in your head. No one on this thread (through post 71) has even mentioned cost EXCEPT YOU. In my book, you are the shameful one, intent on exploiting every medical situation outside the norm as another Terri Schiavo situation. Disgusting."
*** *** *** *** *** (Since banned) 'conserv13': "Cannibalism? Is he actually eating the embryos?"
'dmz': "No, only the stem cells, with a side of onion rings."
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