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Black Death Casts A genetic Shadow Over England
New Scientist ^ | Colin Barras

Posted on 08/01/2007 2:00:38 PM PDT by blam

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To: blam

Several months ago, I was doing some genealogy research on my late husband’s ancestors. I discovered that 2 of them had died of this and it took 3 weeks for the officials to say what killed them. The site said that whole towns were wiped out and there were not any people left to bury the dead. It was a devastating time in England’s history.


61 posted on 08/01/2007 7:06:59 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: blam

Uhhh, since the Black Death hit EVERYWHERE in Europe, the same situation should be true there too.

Is it?


62 posted on 08/01/2007 7:34:45 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: raygun
raygun, that was very eloquent. I agree completely.

I, too, spent a day reading about the Black Death and it was mesmerizing, I couldn’t tear myself away from the books. There was almost a poetic quality to the era - a concentrated vivid dose of death, everything drenched with morbidity

I got interested in the Cult of Death, which romaticized death and gave it artistic expression. Perhaps a very human response to what the medievals could not control.

But ... hey a shot of pencillin beats the danse macabre any day.

63 posted on 08/01/2007 7:35:44 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: ZULU
Black Death did NOT hit everywhere. Its pretty weird and uncanny where it did not hit (and quite Art Bellian in that regard too). That pockets of no-Black Death occured (or should it be stated rather that the Black Death wasn't manifested in certain very small areas - an "area" being construed to mean something somewhat smaller than some arbitrary "region") can not be disputed.

The Black Death is known by that name because of its penchant to turn corpses black, and putrifactant, within an hour or so (not because it was a dark and hysterically period of black satire). I mean even so it was all of that, that is NOT the reason that the plague was known as the "Black" death. Neither was the "black" death something that the KKK dreamed up (despite their best dreams in that regard).

No, the Black Death was reference to now one died; and it wasn't pretty. Let me tell you this: when your grapefruit sized lymph glands underneath your armpits, and lining your groin ruptured with puss and virulence and putrefaction: then you knew why it was called the Black Death. The survivors then witnessed the corpse turning totally black and putryfying within seemingly "minutes". hence the nomenclaute for the plague being Black Death (all the rest being merely mood-candy).

64 posted on 08/01/2007 8:31:57 PM PDT by raygun (If singing & dancing zombies are what you're into, then "Evil Dead - The Musical" is positively IT.)
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To: VanShuyten

Killing cats led to a rat spread disease? Makes sense.


65 posted on 08/01/2007 9:14:59 PM PDT by ValerieTexas
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To: Mercat

Thanks for the book recommendation. I’ll add it to my reading list.


66 posted on 08/01/2007 10:09:54 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

Thanks.


67 posted on 08/01/2007 11:02:05 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( Today is a good day for working on some heavy praying. The world needs God to hear them.)
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To: Calpernia; Velveeta; milford421; FARS

Ping.


68 posted on 08/01/2007 11:02:53 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( Today is a good day for working on some heavy praying. The world needs God to hear them.)
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To: massgopguy
Bring out your dead!”

I'm not dead!! I think I'll go for a walk!

69 posted on 08/01/2007 11:20:04 PM PDT by uglybiker (relaxing in a luxuriant cloud of quality, aromatic, pre-owned tobacco essence)
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To: raygun

I wholeheartely agree, especially when I have to visit the dentist. I had back surgery, a minor procedure by today’s standards, in 1988. If I had been born 100 years earlier, I would have been confined to a wheelchair with the same condition. There’s so much that we take for granted these days.


70 posted on 08/02/2007 3:39:03 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: blam
Good post.
Good comments.
Good thread.
71 posted on 08/02/2007 4:40:59 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: ValerieTexas
The desease was spread by fleas. Rats were just one of the carriers for the fleas.

Once the Black Death was understood to come from fleas some interesting fashions arose from it. One was a large, white frill collar people wore which was meant to show others they didn't have fleas since they'd fall into the frills and be visible to others. You've probably seen people wearing them in many old portraits. Another was lap dogs which were especially useful in public as the dog's higher body temperature would draw fleas to the dog rather than the owner.

72 posted on 08/02/2007 6:56:08 AM PDT by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: raygun

Well, it hit pretty hard in parts of the Mediterranean area.

What parts of Europe escaped it?

There was an article here a while back about it being possibly connected to a form of Ebola.


73 posted on 08/02/2007 8:15:58 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ari-freedom
yup. what shall it be? a nation of inbreds or islamofascists? not a pleasant situation to be in

Close. A nation of inbred islamofascists...

74 posted on 08/02/2007 8:21:03 AM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: null and void

that actually gives me hope


75 posted on 08/02/2007 8:23:16 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: ari-freedom
THAT is very sad!
76 posted on 08/02/2007 8:26:45 AM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: null and void
no no. inbreds are very vulnerable
77 posted on 08/02/2007 8:28:31 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: ari-freedom

Arabs are very inbred.

Explains a lot, doesn’t it?


78 posted on 08/02/2007 8:29:48 AM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: tarheelswamprat
“Green Death”...

...Rolling Rock?

79 posted on 08/02/2007 9:59:18 AM PDT by martin gibson ("I care not what course others may take, but as for myself, give me Ralph Stanley or give me death")
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To: martin gibson
“Green Death”...

...Rolling Rock?

I've never drunk that much of it... /grin

Green is the signature color of the various Islamist terrorist groups such as Hezbollah, etc. Check out pictures of them with their green bandanas, flags, etc.

80 posted on 08/02/2007 10:45:17 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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