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Iraq crash kills 14 US soldiers
BBC ^ | 8/22/2007 | Staff

Posted on 08/22/2007 1:44:38 AM PDT by Cardhu

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To: cake_crumb; A.A. Cunningham; cherry; Lancey Howard; Enchante; gpapa; SandRat; Phsstpok; SE Mom; ...

NOTE: Please be sure to read the last section of this post ... it’s stunning.

Iraq’s Legacy of Terror ~ Mass Graves

http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/pdf/iraq_mass_graves.pdf

The Sum of Two Evils (Uday and Qusay Hussein)

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030602-454453,00.html

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This connection is shocking.

I’ve never read anything about it before.. but look at the decades of evil and hate, what they’ve wrought, and how they must be vanquished forever from this earth:

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/AntiSemi/11165.htm

Excerpt:

“The Moslem cleric who inspired Adolf Hitler with the idea of Jihad was none other than the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin El Husseini, who did not want masses of exiled Jews to wind up in the land of Israel, which he claimed as a future Arab Palestine, devoid of Jews.

Indeed, in 1936, the Mufti welcomed Hitler’s deputy, Adolf Eichmann, to his office at the Supreme Islamic Council based at the Palace Hotel in the center of Jerusalem, where Eichmann kept meticulous records of his meetings with the Mufti, where the Palestinian Arab leader of that generation taught Eichmann about the philosophy of Jihad.

Journalist Maurice Pearlman, who reviewed the records of Eichmann’s meetings with the Mufti at the trials for Nazi leader in Nuremberg, wrote a book entitled THE MUFTI OF JERUSALEM, published in 1947, in which Pearlman noted that the Mufti instructed Eichmann that the way in which the Nazis could best persecute the Jews was to do so slowly and in stages, so as to catch them unaware of the next stage of persecution.

Eichmann offered reciprocal hospitality for the Mufti in Nazi Germany. In 1939, with the outbreak of World War II, the British government, then presiding over the mandatory government in Palestine, expelled the Mufti, who chose to travel to fascist Italy and then to Berlin, where he remained for the remainder of World War II.

Hitler provided the Mufti with a radio station in Berlin from where he propagated the Nazi message in the Arabic language, and the Mufti was assigned the task of organizing a Moslem contingent of the Nazi murder machine which killed Jews throughout Yuogoslavia.

The Mufti obtained Hitler’s assurance in November 1941 that after dealing with the Jews of Europe, Hitler would treat the Jews of the Middle East similarly.

Husseini promised the support of the Arabs for the Nazi war effort. In Berlin, Husseini used the money confiscated from Jewish victims, to finance pro-Nazi activities in the Middle East and to raise 20,000 Muslim troops in Bosnia, in the Hanjar Waffen S.S., who murdered tens of thousands of Serbs and Jews in the Balkans and served as police auxiliary in Hungary.

Heinreich Himmler, the chief administrator of the Nazi death machine, brought the Mufti on numerous tours of the death camps. Most recently, a book was written about the ZunderKommandos, whose task it was to remove the dead Jews from the crematoria.”


61 posted on 08/22/2007 9:36:00 AM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Cardhu

Prayers up.


62 posted on 08/22/2007 10:10:38 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Today's stolen graphics courtesy of: http://arewelumberjacks.blogspot.com/)
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To: MountainDad

The soldiers killed were with Task Force Lightning. Their units and names are being withheld until next of kin have been notified.


63 posted on 08/22/2007 10:14:41 AM PDT by Cardhu
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To: RDTF

Thank you.


64 posted on 08/22/2007 12:15:39 PM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: Cap Huff

“What is your definition of stable?”

realpolitik. Similar to ‘stable’ in egypt - a government willing to be fairly ruthless to keep its population suppressed and quiet. The alternative to stable is Iraq today.

Freedom and all that is great, but it is unclear to me how replacing a contained secular despot with the current enviroment (heavy iranian influence, iranian proxy war against us, british essentially abandoning basra and their zone) in Iraq is in the long-term interests of the US.


65 posted on 08/22/2007 12:36:43 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: agere_contra

“You are right: Iraq was internally more stable. The same way that Nazi Germany was more stable in 1942 than in 1945. Tyranny is nothing if not stable.

Removing a “stable” cancer like Sadamm leads inevitably to instability and a power vacuumn. The problem today is that there is another stable and virulent cancer right next door to Iraq, which (it appears) that no-one is doing anything about.

Thank you for a balanced reply. A viscous despot (saddam) certainly did provide stability, and predictability, to the country. For the US to have removed him only to create the current situation is an error IMHO. It was certainly not the pentagon ‘plan’ on the books 4 years ago.

For the US to have not adequately moved to fill the power vacuum upon his removal and pre-empt the Iranian participation we are seeing now is an error of the first rank.


66 posted on 08/22/2007 12:39:45 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Egypt does some of our interrogation for us for this very reason - torture is available without legally involving the US.


67 posted on 08/22/2007 12:40:34 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Cardhu

BTTT


68 posted on 08/22/2007 12:44:43 PM PDT by hattend ("Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." - John Wayne)
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To: Cardhu
Yeah, I understand that from past experience.

Just wondering which units are in that Task force.

69 posted on 08/22/2007 12:54:22 PM PDT by MountainDad
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To: WoofDog123

Would (could) you have continued to patrol the no-fly zones from Saudi Arabia? Could you have been able to maintain the embargo on Iraq in the face of Euro opposition (and circumvention)?


70 posted on 08/22/2007 1:09:57 PM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Cap Huff

“Would (could) you have continued to patrol the no-fly zones from Saudi Arabia? Could you have been able to maintain the embargo on Iraq in the face of Euro opposition (and circumvention)?”

fair question. I have read that part of the deal for saudi support for the 2003 invasion was the departure of the US from the (new) prince sultan airbase.

How the saudis would have handled continuation of the status quo is something I do not know.

Re the embargo - I imagine more and more leaks would have appeared in it over time.

On the other hand, even assuming the embargo ends and the no-fly is withdrawn (though far from certain either or both of those would have happened even by now), it is not completely clear that this is worse for US interests than the current situation.


71 posted on 08/22/2007 1:18:37 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Cardhu

Rest In Peace Brave Heroes. Saying prayers for the families and loved ones of these Brave Heroes.


72 posted on 08/22/2007 1:31:59 PM PDT by GodBlessUSA (US Troops, Past, Present and Future, God Bless You and Thank You!. Prayers said for our Heroes!)
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To: MountainDad
Just wondering which units are in that Task force.

Best I can tell is they are part of the Multi National Forces
73 posted on 08/22/2007 1:41:19 PM PDT by boxerblues
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To: Cardhu

Our godson who is in the Air Force and was suppposed to deploy Monday but has been delayed got the call today that his best friend from home was on this chopper. He was a sweet Texas boy from the coast. Needless to say, he is devastated but is back on base taking care of last minute details to do his duty. Our prayers for his family, our godson, and all the brave troops who are putting it on the line for all of us.


74 posted on 08/22/2007 2:15:40 PM PDT by Bubbette
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To: Cardhu

Rest In Peace Brave Warriors
Prayers for all who mourn
I will remember your sacrifice for our country and for me.



75 posted on 08/22/2007 2:23:47 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Bubbette

I am sorry to hear that Bubbette, they are all so young to have their lives snuffed out before they have begun to live.


76 posted on 08/22/2007 2:45:24 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

Reminds me of the worst day in my life, 1/26/2005. We lost 31 Marines in a helo crash that day. My son was one of five others who died that day in other incidents.

Bless these men and their families and all that they represented.


77 posted on 08/22/2007 5:13:26 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: boxerblues
I wonder if all the relatives were notified before this came out

No it hits the news first with no names and no specific unit, so military families sit it out and sweat for the next 48 hours, praying we never see that government car pull in the drive

28 posted on 08/22/2007 5:15:57 AM PDT by boxerblues

And that is exactly what I an doing.

78 posted on 08/22/2007 5:29:50 PM PDT by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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To: neverendinghunt

Can’t even justify why he was hung

Maybe you should pull your head out of ass then.


79 posted on 08/22/2007 5:31:01 PM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: neverendinghunt

For a self-proclaimed news junkie, you are not very knowledgeable.


80 posted on 08/22/2007 5:31:29 PM PDT by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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